Terrence Austin

[ArlingtonSkinsFan]

He looked really fast in preseason, ran crisp routes, and showed great hands. Why isn't he seeing the field? Today's NFL is all about speed, and he is one of our fastest players. GET HIM ON THE TURF IN DALLAS!!

Thoughts?

[PickSixerTWSS]

He looked really fast in preseason, ran crisp routes, and showed great hands. Why isn't he seeing the field? Today's NFL is all about speed, and he is one of our fastest players. GET HIM ON THE TURF IN DALLAS!!

Thoughts?

i completley agree, however : he is a rookie=needs practice.

[Red_One43]

He's not a rookie, got game experience last year. Between Niles Paul, Stallworth and Terrance Austin, it appears that one of them is out on game day. Paul might be considered the better special teams player and better run blocker than Stallworth or Austin, so he played in both games. Austin was active for game 1 and Donte traded spots with Austin for game two. Don't know the reasons - Are they alternating? Is it situational? It it special teams coverage play? Don't know, but it appears that either Stallworth or Austin will be inactive against Dallas.

[ArlingtonSkinsFan]

He's not a rookie, got game experience last year. Between Niles Paul, Stallworth and Terrance Austin, it appears that one of them is out on game day. Paul might be considered the better special teams player and better run blocker than Stallworth or Austin, so he played in both games. Austin was active for game 1 and Donte traded spots with Austin for game two. Don't know the reasons - Are they alternating? Is it situational? It it special teams coverage play? Don't know, but it appears that either Stallworth or Austin will be inactive against Dallas.

all great observations....and if it comes down to stallworth or austin, why not stick with the theme of youth and building wholeheartedly and get all the young talent and speed on the field together to see what we have in them. Stallworth has zero upside, but we don't know about austin yet. Except of course that he has shown solid potential as a playmaker. Of all the games, this game, on turf, where speed kills even more, against a banged up secondary, someone like austin with no game tape for cowboys to use, could breakout.


IS IT MONDAY YET?

[Red_One43]

He's not a rookie, got game experience last year. Between Niles Paul, Stallworth and Terrance Austin, it appears that one of them is out on game day. Paul might be considered the better special teams player and better run blocker than Stallworth or Austin, so he played in both games. Austin was active for game 1 and Donte traded spots with Austin for game two. Don't know the reasons - Are they alternating? Is it situational? It it special teams coverage play? Don't know, but it appears that either Stallworth or Austin will be inactive against Dallas.

all great observations....and if it comes down to stallworth or austin, why not stick with the theme of youth and building wholeheartedly and get all the young talent and speed on the field together to see what we have in them. Stallworth has zero upside, but we don't know about austin yet. Except of course that he has shown solid potential as a playmaker. Of all the games, this game, on turf, where speed kills even more, against a banged up secondary, someone like austin with no game tape for cowboys to use, could breakout.


IS IT MONDAY YET?

You raise a good question and a lot of folks (including me) thought Stallworth would not make the team because of the youth movement.

Does Stallworth have zero upside? I can't agree with you on that one. Stallworth is just as fast as Austin. Stallworth probably is a better defensive special teams guy on kick coverage. As long as Banks is healthy, Austin is not going to return a kick. Also, Stallworth probably knows all the veteran tricks of the trade versus Austin.

Now, these arguments I just made for Stallworth are only to counter that you say Stallworth has no updside. As far as your youth movement argument in support of Austin, I agree with you. Austin, seems like he did what he was supposed to do in the offseason and that was get better.

Which one will be activated for big D? If they are rotating, it is Austin's turn.

[die cowboys die]

all great observations....and if it comes down to stallworth or austin, why not stick with the theme of youth and building wholeheartedly and get all the young talent and speed on the field together to see what we have in them. Stallworth has zero upside, but we don't know about austin yet. Except of course that he has shown solid potential as a playmaker. Of all the games, this game, on turf, where speed kills even more, against a banged up secondary, someone like austin with no game tape for cowboys to use, could breakout.


IS IT MONDAY YET?

agreed. let's develop our youth and see what we've got, what we can become with them.

[PickSixerTWSS]

He's not a rookie, got game experience last year. Between Niles Paul, Stallworth and Terrance Austin, it appears that one of them is out on game day. Paul might be considered the better special teams player and better run blocker than Stallworth or Austin, so he played in both games. Austin was active for game 1 and Donte traded spots with Austin for game two. Don't know the reasons - Are they alternating? Is it situational? It it special teams coverage play? Don't know, but it appears that either Stallworth or Austin will be inactive against Dallas.

austin ain't a rookie? anyway him, dont'e, paul, and AA should be used more.

[ATX_Skins]

all great observations....and if it comes down to stallworth or austin, why not stick with the theme of youth and building wholeheartedly and get all the young talent and speed on the field together to see what we have in them. Stallworth has zero upside, but we don't know about austin yet. Except of course that he has shown solid potential as a playmaker. Of all the games, this game, on turf, where speed kills even more, against a banged up secondary, someone like austin with no game tape for cowboys to use, could breakout.


IS IT MONDAY YET?

agreed. let's develop our youth and see what we've got, what we can become with them.

+1

[Irn-Bru]

What happened to fielding your best players on game day? I want the Skins to develop youth, too, but there's no need to make these kind of sacrifices to see what we've got.

[ArlingtonSkinsFan]

What happened to fielding your best players on game day? I want the Skins to develop youth, too, but there's no need to make these kind of sacrifices to see what we've got.

How do we know Stallworth is a better player than Austin? Last year that mentality got us nowhere. It's not a "sacrifice" to let Stallworth watch from the sidelines. He isn't a gamechanger. 5 years ago he was. Now he is a two-catch-per game veteran who secondaries don't fear. Maybe Austin is a gamechanger. How do we know if we don't put him on the field? He has flashed gamechanging ability in preseason for two years in a row.

[Red_One43]

This article might help in understanding why Austin has not given the nod over Stallworth. Shanny clearly does not see Stallworth as having zero upside. Stallworth is not last year's Joey Galloway. He has shown that he can play coverage special teams and probably better than Austin. Remember, Austin, will not return kicks so long as Banks is healthy. Should Banks get hurt during a game, Moss can return punts if a key punt return is required. So Austin's Punt return duties do not place him ahead of Stallworth. The article says that Stallworth saw 23 plays from scrimmage in the Cardinals' game while Austin only saw 5 against the Giants. Shanny is liking something more about Stallworth as a 4th or 5th receiver and it most likely has to do with special teams and veteran savy.

The Redskins' wide receiver shuffle
By Rich Tander

I got a question on Twitter from @wicksypoo:

@Rich_Tandler whats up with the WR shuffle? [Terrence] Austin inactive and DS [Donte Stallworth] active, opposite in week 1. How do you think it will play out?

From what Mike Shanahan has said, it will play out like that all year long. After the roster was set with the seven wide receivers (Shanny said that Brandon Banks is strictly a return specialist), he was asked how the playing time and active status would be split up.

Shanahan said it would be a week-to-week competition for playing time. It appears that five receivers will be active every week and three of them will be Santana Moss, Jabar Gaffney, and Anthony Armstrong. The other three will be determined on a weekly basis.

The fourth and fifth players need to be able to play special teams. That is something that Donte Stallworth (pictured) has not been doing much of in recent seasons but he has gotten back into it in order to get on the field more often. He played on the kickoff coverage team against the Cardinals. Special teams ability has kept Niles Paul active for each of the first two games.

The active wideouts at the end of the dept chart are not getting a whole lot of playing time on offense. In the first game, Terrence Austin played five snaps and Paul was in for four. Against the Cardinals, Stallworth was at wide receiver for 23 plays, Paul for three.

Leonard Hankerson does not play special teams and although he has a lot of raw talent he may be a while from being ready to play from scrimmage so he might not see the active list for a while.

All of the above is written with the caveat that injuries could change everything.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... uffle.html

[Irn-Bru]

How do we know Stallworth is a better player than Austin?

We can't be 100% sure without playing each for a season in the same year, which will never happen.

But I have good reason to think fans tend to be over-optimistic about youth, upside, and preseason performances. It's hard to believe, but there were people on THN saying we should play Colt Brenan not too long ago.

And remember a WR by the name of Marko Mitchell?

Of course you won't. Terrence Austin is now the flavor of the month.

(Disclaimer: I mean no disrespect to TA in this post. He did have a promising preseason and I'm glad he's on the team. But this is a conversation about who we should start on Sunday.)

It's not a "sacrifice" to let Stallworth watch from the sidelines.

If he's the better player who has, in the coaches' best estimation, won the roster spot: yes, it is.

Maybe Austin is a gamechanger. How do we know if we don't put him on the field? He has flashed gamechanging ability in preseason for two years in a row.

Even I saw enough of Austin in the preseason to know he's not a gamechanger. The coaches got to see him way more.

You say my mentality will get us nowhere. Here's a surer bet: rolling the dice every time you get a gut feeling will get you nowhere. That's the Vinny approach. That's what we've been doing for the last 10 years.

Personally, I'd rather buy into the Shanaplan.

[ArlingtonSkinsFan]

How do we know Stallworth is a better player than Austin?

We can't be 100% sure without playing each for a season in the same year, which will never happen.

But I have good reason to think fans tend to be over-optimistic about youth, upside, and preseason performances. It's hard to believe, but there were people on THN saying we should play Colt Brenan not too long ago.

And remember a WR by the name of Marko Mitchell?

Of course you won't. Terrence Austin is now the flavor of the month.

(Disclaimer: I mean no disrespect to TA in this post. He did have a promising preseason and I'm glad he's on the team. But this is a conversation about who we should start on Sunday.)




I agree with you now. And yes, of course I remember Marko Mitchell. I may not post on here that much, but I obssess over this team as much as the next guy. I totally agree with your point.

It's not a "sacrifice" to let Stallworth watch from the sidelines.

If he's the better player who has, in the coaches' best estimation, won the roster spot: yes, it is.

Maybe Austin is a gamechanger. How do we know if we don't put him on the field? He has flashed gamechanging ability in preseason for two years in a row.

Even I saw enough of Austin in the preseason to know he's not a gamechanger. The coaches got to see him way more.

You say my mentality will get us nowhere. Here's a surer bet: rolling the dice every time you get a gut feeling will get you nowhere. That's the Vinny approach. That's what we've been doing for the last 10 years.

Personally, I'd rather buy into the Shanaplan.

I agree with you. And yes, i know who Marko Mitchell is. 7th round pick from 2009 who we thought finally gave us a fade option in the redzone. I was optimistic as well back then. Oh well. Hail to the Shanaplan.

[Irn-Bru]

I didn't really mean you wouldn't remember Marko Mitchell, btw. I was just making a point.

[SkinsJock]

We are lucky to have both - we are 2-0

let's keep on this track

[Chris Luva Luva]

How do we know Stallworth is a better player than Austin?

Wrong. Your problem is that YOU don't know. And whether or not YOU know it or not is insignificant because YOU aren't a coach. They watch the film, they watch the practices, THEY know who the best players are.

This regime has clearly proven that they field the best players. The player who practice. The player who is consistently good. They dress the player in positions of excess that suit the gameplan. They are about giving the team the best chance to win on every Sunday. Mike Shannahan will not cater to you. He will not cater to me. He will not cater to the media. He doesn't give a you-know-what about what you want and I love it.

[ATX_Skins]

How do we know Stallworth is a better player than Austin?

Wrong. Your problem is that YOU don't know. And whether or not YOU know it or not is insignificant because YOU aren't a coach. They watch the film, they watch the practices, THEY know who the best players are.

This regime has clearly proven that they field the best players. The player who practice. The player who is consistently good. They dress the player in positions of excess that suit the gameplan. They are about giving the team the best chance to win on every Sunday. Mike Shannahan will not cater to you. He will not cater to me. He will not cater to the media. He doesn't give a you-know-what about what you want and I love it.

Ummmm yes, and yes. Oh and yes, this is correct.

[emoses14]

How do we know Stallworth is a better player than Austin?

Wrong. Your problem is that YOU don't know. And whether or not YOU know it or not is insignificant because YOU aren't a coach. They watch the film, they watch the practices, THEY know who the best players are.

This regime has clearly proven that they field the best players. The player who practice. The player who is consistently good. They dress the player in positions of excess that suit the gameplan. They are about giving the team the best chance to win on every Sunday. Mike Shannahan will not cater to you. He will not cater to me. He will not cater to the media. He doesn't give a you-know-what about what you want and I love it.

Ummmm yes, and yes. Oh and yes, this is correct.

Exactly as it should be.