Barry Cofield to Skins...

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:08 am

From his Twitter account:

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Washington tried weaking division opponent New York early Wednesday, reaching agreement with DT Barry Cofield on a six-year deal.

You like this move?

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:11 am

Come on guys....

Redskins agreed to terms with DT Barry Cofield on a six-year contract.
The Redskins were fully expected to pursue Cofield, who will presumably replace Ma'ake Kemoeatu as the starting nose tackle in Jim Haslett's 3-4 scheme. Cofield bounced back nicely in 2011, grading out as a top-12 tackle in Pro Football Focus' ratings. Mike Shanahan's club is still expected to battle the Cowboys for free agent DE Cullen Jenkins this week

http://rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/2069 ... ntana-moss

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:12 am

Younger than Franklin.... and cheaper, I like

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:13 am

Cullen Jenkins next....???

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:30 am

Six-year, $36 million with $12.5 million guaranteed.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:24 am

I'm not sure what to think of this. I'm glad that he is younger then 30

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:38 am

jeremyroyce wrote:I'm not sure what to think of this. I'm glad that he is younger then 30

He won't be re-signing with the Gints, he's only missed 1 game in five years and his best game last season was against the Redskins, so he must like playing at FedEx

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:39 am

1niksder wrote:
jeremyroyce wrote:I'm not sure what to think of this. I'm glad that he is younger then 30
He won't be re-signing with the Gints, he's only missed 1 game in five years and his best game last season was against the Redskins, so he must like playing at FedEx

More like he benefited from playing opposite of Raybach.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:46 am

So...ugh....

I don't think this guy is big enough to play NT. Is this signing in effort to possibly sure up the DE position??

If so, I think this means that we're still not done addressing the defensive line. We need a legit NT.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:48 am

You gotta believe that the coaching staff and Bruce Allen have spent the last 6 months scheming on free agents and decided that D-line was #1 priority. Of those D-linemen, they wanted Cofield first. That tells you a whole lot.

Cofield is a nose tackle and has been his whole career with the Giants. They play a 4-3 but utilize a NT in the middle which has helped free up other D-linemen over the years. Last year, Cofield had 54 tackles, four sacks and one forced fumble for the Giants. From the NT spot, that is a great season.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:11 am

fleetus wrote:You gotta believe that the coaching staff and Bruce Allen have spent the last 6 months scheming on free agents and decided that D-line was #1 priority. Of those D-linemen, they wanted Cofield first. That tells you a whole lot.

Cofield is a nose tackle and has been his whole career with the Giants. They play a 4-3 but utilize a NT in the middle which has helped free up other D-linemen over the years. Last year, Cofield had 54 tackles, four sacks and one forced fumble for the Giants. From the NT spot, that is a great season.

I get all that but for a NT in a 3-4, isn't he a little light?

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:29 am

No, NT isn't as much about size as people think. That's why Kelly Gregg played NT for the Ravens while the much larger Ngata played DE. NT plays either the 0 or 1 technique, lining up directly over the center or just of the outside shoulder of the center. They are responsible for two gaps, usually the "A" gaps, on either side of the Center. It requires strength and leverage and long arms really help clog up the running lanes. Cofield has been doing this for the Giants since 2006! We all hear about Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiroa, but Cofield has been the unwavering anchor of that line, eating up two gaps every play so that the other three guys could pursue the backfield. Cofield is only 27 and has not had any injury issues, so you would think he is entering his prime right now. (and we get the benefit of removing him from the Giants roster! a win-win)

Personally, I think Shanahan and Allen did their homework and went after a solid, core player to strengthen one of our biggest needs. I like the way these two guys manage. They aren't after the flashy big name like years past. They want football players.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:51 am

fleetus wrote:No, NT isn't as much about size as people think. That's why Kelly Gregg played NT for the Ravens while the much larger Ngata played DE. NT plays either the 0 or 1 technique, lining up directly over the center or just of the outside shoulder of the center. They are responsible for two gaps, usually the "A" gaps, on either side of the Center. It requires strength and leverage and long arms really help clog up the running lanes. Cofield has been doing this for the Giants since 2006! We all hear about Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiroa, but Cofield has been the unwavering anchor of that line, eating up two gaps every play so that the other three guys could pursue the backfield. Cofield is only 27 and has not had any injury issues, so you would think he is entering his prime right now. (and we get the benefit of removing him from the Giants roster! a win-win)

Personally, I think Shanahan and Allen did their homework and went after a solid, core player to strengthen one of our biggest needs. I like the way these two guys manage. They aren't after the flashy big name like years past. They want football players.

Well sir, apparently you understand that position way more than I do. I will defer to your wisdom lol. Do u have a link where I can read up on the GAPs and responsibilities?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:52 am

^^^ - +1 - what fleetus said

I would like to add that I think these guys have already shown that they are the antithesis of Cerrato/Snyder - this FO seems to be focusing on adding players that make the other players here better

There are many fans that seem want to 'manage' or add players to this franchise that have proven to be good to great NFL players - I think we are better off adding ONLY those players that make the other players around them better and have a lot of upside

THIS IS THE ULTIMATE TEAM GAME - If you want to add 'star' players, form your own Fantasy Football Team and invite Cerrato/Snyder to be a part of it

Let's let this FO put this faranchise back on track - I like what they have done here recently including NOT adding Julius Peppers last year - I think we are on track to seeing a consistently good product on the field

Fantasy football is so over-rated and has no chance at winning a Super Bowl - NONE

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:47 am

1niksder wrote:Younger than Franklin.... and cheaper, I like

This is a good FO move. Franklin was waaaay overpriced for a two down NT. With the Skins showing interest in Kris Jenkins, it was clear that they want some pass rushing from the NT position. Yes, cheaper, younger and a guy who can play the run and get after the passer. I am still expecting Antonio Bryant to make the team as run stuffing specialist to team up with Cofield.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:20 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
fleetus wrote:No, NT isn't as much about size as people think. That's why Kelly Gregg played NT for the Ravens while the much larger Ngata played DE. NT plays either the 0 or 1 technique, lining up directly over the center or just of the outside shoulder of the center. They are responsible for two gaps, usually the "A" gaps, on either side of the Center. It requires strength and leverage and long arms really help clog up the running lanes. Cofield has been doing this for the Giants since 2006! We all hear about Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiroa, but Cofield has been the unwavering anchor of that line, eating up two gaps every play so that the other three guys could pursue the backfield. Cofield is only 27 and has not had any injury issues, so you would think he is entering his prime right now. (and we get the benefit of removing him from the Giants roster! a win-win)

Personally, I think Shanahan and Allen did their homework and went after a solid, core player to strengthen one of our biggest needs. I like the way these two guys manage. They aren't after the flashy big name like years past. They want football players.
Well sir, apparently you understand that position way more than I do. I will defer to your wisdom lol. Do u have a link where I can read up on the GAPs and responsibilities?

Something else to think about is Cofield is about the same size as the Cowboy's probowl NT Jay Ratliff. Ratliff is 6'4", 305.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:26 am

PulpExposure wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
fleetus wrote:No, NT isn't as much about size as people think. That's why Kelly Gregg played NT for the Ravens while the much larger Ngata played DE. NT plays either the 0 or 1 technique, lining up directly over the center or just of the outside shoulder of the center. They are responsible for two gaps, usually the "A" gaps, on either side of the Center. It requires strength and leverage and long arms really help clog up the running lanes. Cofield has been doing this for the Giants since 2006! We all hear about Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiroa, but Cofield has been the unwavering anchor of that line, eating up two gaps every play so that the other three guys could pursue the backfield. Cofield is only 27 and has not had any injury issues, so you would think he is entering his prime right now. (and we get the benefit of removing him from the Giants roster! a win-win)

Personally, I think Shanahan and Allen did their homework and went after a solid, core player to strengthen one of our biggest needs. I like the way these two guys manage. They aren't after the flashy big name like years past. They want football players.
Well sir, apparently you understand that position way more than I do. I will defer to your wisdom lol. Do u have a link where I can read up on the GAPs and responsibilities?
Something else to think about is Cofield is about the same size as the Cowboy's probowl NT Jay Ratliff. Ratliff is 6'4", 305.

gotcha.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:32 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
fleetus wrote:No, NT isn't as much about size as people think. That's why Kelly Gregg played NT for the Ravens while the much larger Ngata played DE. NT plays either the 0 or 1 technique, lining up directly over the center or just of the outside shoulder of the center. They are responsible for two gaps, usually the "A" gaps, on either side of the Center. It requires strength and leverage and long arms really help clog up the running lanes. Cofield has been doing this for the Giants since 2006! We all hear about Strahan, Tuck and Umenyiroa, but Cofield has been the unwavering anchor of that line, eating up two gaps every play so that the other three guys could pursue the backfield. Cofield is only 27 and has not had any injury issues, so you would think he is entering his prime right now. (and we get the benefit of removing him from the Giants roster! a win-win)

Personally, I think Shanahan and Allen did their homework and went after a solid, core player to strengthen one of our biggest needs. I like the way these two guys manage. They aren't after the flashy big name like years past. They want football players.
Well sir, apparently you understand that position way more than I do. I will defer to your wisdom lol. Do u have a link where I can read up on the GAPs and responsibilities?

I know defense better than offense. But yeah, there are tons of websites that talk about the terminology. A minute ago I googled "football technique gaps" and found a ton of sites. This one has a nice and easy diagram showing how the gaps and technique for each gap coincide:

http://football.calsci.com/Positions8.html

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:14 pm

This guy is coming off his best season in the NFL, wants to get paid, and doesn't have a spot on his current roster......this just sounds too familiar.

Didn't we use our 2nd round pick on a NT??? Why are we going after another NT when it is obvious we need a DE (assuming Kerrigan is playing OLB in the 3-4)? If you include AH, we now have more quality NTs than DEs.

I like the fact that this guy has been consistent over the years, hasn't been injured, and is still relatively young for his position, but he is still a bit undersized, has farily mediocre stats, and is coming from a 4-3. All in all, I like the player and the fact we didn't go after some overpriced superstar (although I do believe the pricetag was a bit high) but I wish the FO would focus on greater needs such as WR and depth at the OL position. Who knows; it's still early -- I hope they do.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:37 pm

markshark84 wrote:
Didn't we use our 2nd round pick on a NT??? Why are we going after another NT when it is obvious we need a DE (assuming Kerrigan is playing OLB in the 3-4)? If you include AH, we now have more quality NTs than DEs.

Jenkins will play DE not NT the NT was drafted in the 7th round, the thinking might be be Cofield added to the NT rotation allows AH to be move exclusively to DE.

markshark84 wrote:I like the fact that this guy has been consistent over the years, hasn't been injured, and is still relatively young for his position, but he is still a bit undersized, has farily mediocre stats, and is coming from a 4-3. All in all, I like the player and the fact we didn't go after some overpriced superstar (although I do believe the pricetag was a bit high) but I wish the FO would focus on greater needs such as WR and depth at the OL position. Who knows; it's still early -- I hope they do.

Cofield played NT exclusively during his rookie season and the Gints used him at that position whenever the scheme called for it. Can't complain about the cost when the new CBA will force teams to spend.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:02 pm

markshark84 wrote:This guy is coming off his best season in the NFL, wants to get paid, and doesn't have a spot on his current roster......this just sounds too familiar.

Didn't we use our 2nd round pick on a NT??? Why are we going after another NT when it is obvious we need a DE (assuming Kerrigan is playing OLB in the 3-4)? If you include AH, we now have more quality NTs than DEs.

I like the fact that this guy has been consistent over the years, hasn't been injured, and is still relatively young for his position, but he is still a bit undersized, has farily mediocre stats, and is coming from a 4-3. All in all, I like the player and the fact we didn't go after some overpriced superstar (although I do believe the pricetag was a bit high) but I wish the FO would focus on greater needs such as WR and depth at the OL position. Who knows; it's still early -- I hope they do.

Already answered all this in a previous post. He's not a 4-3 DT, he's a NT. He isn't too small. Playing NT is not about finding the closest thing to a 400 lbs blob. It is about stuffing the two A gaps and/or forcing both the Center and a Guard to double team you. Cofield has been doing exactly that, AS A NT, for 4 years on a very talented defense.

Look, The Redskins have spent years buying high and selling low. Any fantasy football lackey can spend the most money and sign the biggest name player. The trick is finding value. and furthermore, finding value that fits your team. I believe Shanahan and Allen have found possibly the best defensive value in todays free agent market, who also fits the redskins scheme and needs. Franklin is over rated for the money he is expecting. Cullen Jenkins is good but will command big, big bucks.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:52 pm

fleetus wrote:
markshark84 wrote:This guy is coming off his best season in the NFL, wants to get paid, and doesn't have a spot on his current roster......this just sounds too familiar.

Didn't we use our 2nd round pick on a NT??? Why are we going after another NT when it is obvious we need a DE (assuming Kerrigan is playing OLB in the 3-4)? If you include AH, we now have more quality NTs than DEs.

I like the fact that this guy has been consistent over the years, hasn't been injured, and is still relatively young for his position, but he is still a bit undersized, has farily mediocre stats, and is coming from a 4-3. All in all, I like the player and the fact we didn't go after some overpriced superstar (although I do believe the pricetag was a bit high) but I wish the FO would focus on greater needs such as WR and depth at the OL position. Who knows; it's still early -- I hope they do.
Already answered all this in a previous post. He's not a 4-3 DT, he's a NT. He isn't too small. Playing NT is not about finding the closest thing to a 400 lbs blob. It is about stuffing the two A gaps and/or forcing both the Center and a Guard to double team you. Cofield has been doing exactly that, AS A NT, for 4 years on a very talented defense.

Look, The Redskins have spent years buying high and selling low. Any fantasy football lackey can spend the most money and sign the biggest name player. The trick is finding value. and furthermore, finding value that fits your team. I believe Shanahan and Allen have found possibly the best defensive value in todays free agent market, who also fits the redskins scheme and needs. Franklin is over rated for the money he is expecting. Cullen Jenkins is good but will command big, big bucks.

Agreed!

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:15 pm

I like seeing 27 instead of 34 for a change

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:27 am

He's not too small but he doesn't have the ideal size for a nose tackle. You look at the two best NT's in the game, Wilfork (6'2, 325 pounds) and Haloti Ngata (6'4, 350 pounds), and b comparison Cofield (6'4, 306 pounds) is a good amount smaller. But that doesn't mean he cant get the job done here and nobody is going to expect him to be Ngata or Wilfork either.

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:18 pm

fleetus wrote:
markshark84 wrote:This guy is coming off his best season in the NFL, wants to get paid, and doesn't have a spot on his current roster......this just sounds too familiar.

Didn't we use our 2nd round pick on a NT??? Why are we going after another NT when it is obvious we need a DE (assuming Kerrigan is playing OLB in the 3-4)? If you include AH, we now have more quality NTs than DEs.

I like the fact that this guy has been consistent over the years, hasn't been injured, and is still relatively young for his position, but he is still a bit undersized, has farily mediocre stats, and is coming from a 4-3. All in all, I like the player and the fact we didn't go after some overpriced superstar (although I do believe the pricetag was a bit high) but I wish the FO would focus on greater needs such as WR and depth at the OL position. Who knows; it's still early -- I hope they do.
Already answered all this in a previous post. He's not a 4-3 DT, he's a NT. He isn't too small. Playing NT is not about finding the closest thing to a 400 lbs blob. It is about stuffing the two A gaps and/or forcing both the Center and a Guard to double team you. Cofield has been doing exactly that, AS A NT, for 4 years on a very talented defense.

Look, The Redskins have spent years buying high and selling low. Any fantasy football lackey can spend the most money and sign the biggest name player. The trick is finding value. and furthermore, finding value that fits your team. I believe Shanahan and Allen have found possibly the best defensive value in todays free agent market, who also fits the redskins scheme and needs. Franklin is over rated for the money he is expecting. Cullen Jenkins is good but will command big, big bucks.

I never said the guy was too small; I said a bit undersized. And he is -- by about 15 pounds. The guy can have the longest arms in the world, but you need leverage at the NT position. I understand your reasoning on the position (and agree for the most part) but there is a reason most of the best NTs are 320+.

But honestly, I don't think it was a bad pick up. I thought it was one of the better FA pick ups the team has had in a while. A lot has changed since that post, but at the time, I thought we needed to find additions at the DE position (I had no idea Jenkins is going to be used as a DE -- which makes drafting him in the second round appear even more stupid). I agree they found value in the pick up, I just wanted to see them pick up a DE.