Post Game Thread - Skins vs Rams

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:41 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
Redskinsfansince81 wrote:Who's that coach that the Redskins fired? Greg Williams? Isn't that the guy who was defensive coordinator for the Super Bowl Champion Saints?

what in the world does this question have to do with our Redskins this season OR this defense - PLEASE EXPLAIN

SkinsJock...after last week's game you said that the defense isn't a problem. Still feel that way?

Just wait until next week... Although for some odd reason I have a feeling we will figure a few things out during practice this week to deal with all these holes. We have to right? it can't get much worse right? Please tell me it can't!

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:45 am

brad7686 wrote:Yea, Haslett just keeps blitzing when we aren't getting there. Then there's massive holes in the middle of the field. He shows no adjustment ability, which is why we get killed in the second half.I'm not actually sure how much of this is the scheme as opposed to Haslett. The D-line actually looked pretty good at times today. The biggest concern I had once we started adding linemen was the size of our MLB's. This game exposed that even more I think.

Also, the red zone offense is pathetic.

Is it the D? The redzone O? Or the play calling? Why three straight run play on first and goal... Um screen play action heck pass?? Dumb

NYFINESTSKINSFAN · Post by **NYFINESTSKINSFAN** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:03 am

I'm still in disbelief that we just got destroyed by the Rams. Yeah, I'm now truely convinced that the Skins are a third tier franchise these days. We are right there with Detroit, Oakland, Clevland, St. Louis, and Buffalo. The bottom of the barrel. The Skins outright suck!

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:15 am

We beat Dallas! Shoulda trashed Houston too. Give it a chance... Tell u one thing as fans we are bewildered but the players must be infuriated.. Sad... Embarrassed... And prepared to work their tails off as I know shanny is none to pleased after today. Stuff happens we still have a shot to get some eye opening wins against tough teams. After all we have the sixth? Hardest schedule in the league? Ima believer dissapoint filled but looking forward to something idk what tho eesh

ATX_Skins · Post by **ATX_Skins** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:22 am

cowboykillerzRED wrote:We beat Dallas! Shoulda trashed Houston too. Give it a chance... Tell u one thing as fans we are bewildered but the players must be infuriated.. Sad... Embarrassed... And prepared to work their tails off as I know shanny is none to pleased after today. Stuff happens we still have a shot to get some eye opening wins against tough teams. After all we have the sixth? Hardest schedule in the league? Ima believer dissapoint filled but looking forward to something idk what tho eesh

I like where your head is at but being such a longtime fan I have a feeling the players forget about these games as soon as monday comes. They have the attitude one game at a time. Where as the fan is completely involved before after and during and because of that they take the losses harder. Which is also why I don't get so upset anymore or fight with other fans, what's the point?

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 6:16 am

It's my fault, these past two games. I invoked a jinx, inadvertently. Somewhere in the waning minutes of the 4th quarter of the TTiT game, I said aloud "I don't care if we don't win another game this season...I just want this one."
Wish granted.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:36 am

Rams had the ball 10 minutes more than the Skins. Puts the D in a tough spot if we can't convert 3rd downs and control the ball, especially in the second half. I think we really missed Trent yesterday.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 7:50 am

NC43Hog wrote:Rams had the ball 10 minutes more than the Skins. Puts the D in a tough spot if we can't convert 3rd downs and control the ball, especially in the second half. I think we really missed Trent yesterday.

Lack of quality and depth in our OL??? :shock:

Naaaaaahhhhh ... this has never been a problem in Washington. :roll:

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:18 am

NYFINESTSKINSFAN wrote:I'm still in disbelief that we just got destroyed by the Rams. Yeah, I'm now truely convinced that the Skins are a third tier franchise these days. We are right there with Detroit, Oakland, Clevland, St. Louis, and Buffalo. The bottom of the barrel. The Skins outright suck!

I have always thought the Eagle fans were delusional because they have never won anything. Today I realize that we, Redskins Fans, are the delusional ones - reliving distant glories, buying the hype year after year. This team sucks, has no heart and is well on the way to 6-10. I honestly do not think McNabb will be back and this will be yet another lost year. The franchise is cursed.

Meanwhile, the Eagles have dumb lucked (or was it luck?) into a more mature, accurate Michael Vick. The division is theirs. They will destroy the Skins next week and humiliate McNabb. Does anyone honestly think for one second that the Redskins defense can stop Vick, Jackson, Macklin and Celek? I am going camping next weekend and told my wife we had to be home by 4:15 - now, I don't know.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:28 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:SkinsJock...after last week's game you said that the defense isn't a problem. Still feel that way?

to clarify - I do not feel that the defense is THE problem - I think there are a number of issues but I don't think that we lost the last 2 games solely because of our defense

in my opinion the main reason we didn't find a way to win the last 2 games were that we generally failed to play well as a team not just defensively - Special Teams, Offense AND Defense ALL have to pick it up - NOT just, a player OR a coach OR the defensive scheme

We are improved from last year but we were terrible and I think too many here have unrealistic expectations and don't really look at the areas of concern very carefully

I agree that defensively we could do things better with the personnel we already have - that is true, but I like a lot of things about the defense and I don't think that just using more 4-3 would bring about victories - the offense could help the defense too and the special teams' mistakes certainly don't help either

we are improved - I'm looking forward to a time when we have good players on both the offensive and defensive lines and decent depth - we DO NOT need star players we just need good players (who play together and help the players around them) and good depth along both lines - this is critical IMO AND does not happen quickly

we are 1-2 and the product on the field has got to improve - embarrassing yes BUT not as embarrassing as it was last year :lol:

going to be a fun week with the anticipation of McNabb going back to Philthy and Michael Vick playing such great football again

got to love it

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:41 am

I also agree that the coaches - ALL the coaches have to take ownership for the failings and adjust accordingly - some of these players need a lot better job from the coaches and their assistants

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:00 am

NC43Hog wrote:Rams had the ball 10 minutes more than the Skins. Puts the D in a tough spot if we can't convert 3rd downs and control the ball, especially in the second half. I think we really missed Trent yesterday.

It wasn't the offense's fault (well mostly not) that the Rams had the ball ten minutes more, it was the D's inability to get an offense off the field the field that was missing it's best player, had no tallent at WR, and a QB that had two, TWO!, NFl starts under his belt!

If the D was tired, it was their own darn fault!!!!!!!!!!!!

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:25 am

Oh...have we stated that this D sucks with Haslett...???

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:47 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:
NC43Hog wrote:Rams had the ball 10 minutes more than the Skins. Puts the D in a tough spot if we can't convert 3rd downs and control the ball, especially in the second half. I think we really missed Trent yesterday.

It wasn't the offense's fault (well mostly not) that the Rams had the ball ten minutes more, it was the D's inability to get an offense off the field the field that was missing it's best player, had no tallent at WR, and a QB that had two, TWO!, NFl starts under his belt!

If the D was tired, it was their own darn fault!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, you would like the D to hold them to "3 and out", but you also would like your O to produce more than "3 and out".

I guess my point is that you can't point the finger at one group entirely. We have a lot of work still to do to get this "team" better.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:56 am

SkinsJock wrote:I also agree that the coaches - ALL the coaches have to take ownership for the failings and adjust accordingly - some of these players need a lot better job from the coaches and their assistants

Agree 100%. Imho the coaches absolutely sucked yesterday. The defensive shortcomings have been pointed out already, but the offensive playcalling was beyond horrible. This is the same Rams D that got lit up by Tim Hightower and Darren McFadden, and yet we abandoned the run in the second half, gaining only 1 yard total in the second half.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:01 am

NC43Hog wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
NC43Hog wrote:Rams had the ball 10 minutes more than the Skins. Puts the D in a tough spot if we can't convert 3rd downs and control the ball, especially in the second half. I think we really missed Trent yesterday.

It wasn't the offense's fault (well mostly not) that the Rams had the ball ten minutes more, it was the D's inability to get an offense off the field the field that was missing it's best player, had no tallent at WR, and a QB that had two, TWO!, NFl starts under his belt!

If the D was tired, it was their own darn fault!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, you would like the D to hold them to "3 and out", but you also would like your O to produce more than "3 and out".

I guess my point is that you can't point the finger at one group entirely. We have a lot of work still to do to get this "team" better.

It would be nice if the D held them to a 6 and out. The Rams had three drive of less than 6 plays. Two 3 and outs and a two play TD. The Skins D force only three punts, THREE! The Rams had Drives of 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, and 17!

The Skins O went 3 and a punt twice and two more three play drives that ended in turn overs.

Yes, the blame can be shared my all, but the lion's share goes indisputably to the D! What a PATHETIC showing!

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:04 am

I don't know how anyone can blame any one part of the team for yesterday's debacle. The entire group, from the coaches on down, SUCKED yesterday.

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:19 am

I don't know what it looked like on TV, but this was embarassing in person.

The dome was pretty loud, but I've been to others that were quite a bit louder. Nonetheless, the 'Skins were having lots of problems with the noise from the very beginning. I was sitting behind the Redskin's bench and I could pick up on a lot of discussions going on early in the game. by the second half, they weren't discussing anything... mostly a bunch of pouting going on... guys not talking to each other...

This is definitely a different Shanahan than we saw red-faced and fired up calling plays in Denver. He's still red-faced but he stay's way away from Kyle when he's calling plays. Actually, he rarely even talked to players at all the whole game... his coordinators did everything.

D-Hall's defense? Hey, I went to Va Tech, so I'm always rooting for those guys, but Hall has a bad attitude. For a guy the just this week called it his defense, he didn't even talk with "his" guys. He didn't even stand with them during TV timeouts. He would walk towards the huddle when Fletcher called the D and lean in without joining the huddle. By the second half he was pouting so bad, he didn't even act like he wanted to be there.

The receivers really didn't help McNabb much. They weren't getting separation at all, and not once did they come back to help him when the play was breaking down. Devon thomas looks fast in person. I didn't understand why they played 2 tightends so much of the game instead of giving the guy a shot. He really looked antsy on the sidelines...

Lichtensteiger is not 6'3", he barely comes up to Heyer's shoulder pad. He's not a sarting caliber NFL guard. So for Dockery to get beat out by this guy that he dwarfs, doesn't say much for Dock... Lichtensteiger was hurt and limping late in the game an he could barely hold his own, but Dockery still just watched...

The one good thing I saw from a player attitude standpoint was after Sanatna's fumble and the Rams scored, Moss met every defensive player coming off the field and told them it was his fault, not theirs, and he'd make up for it.

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:47 am

ATX_Skins wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
Redskinsfansince81 wrote:Who's that coach that the Redskins fired? Greg Williams? Isn't that the guy who was defensive coordinator for the Super Bowl Champion Saints?

what in the world does this question have to do with our Redskins this season OR this defense - PLEASE EXPLAIN

SkinsJock...after last week's game you said that the defense isn't a problem. Still feel that way?

Just wait until next week... Although for some odd reason I have a feeling we will figure a few things out during practice this week to deal with all these holes. We have to right? it can't get much worse right? Please tell me it can't!

Unfortuntely, it can. As I have been saying all year -- we have a bear of a schedule. We next play AT Philly, then arguably 2 of the best teams in the league in GB and INDY, then 2-0 CHI.

If we play even remotely similar (and I mean remotely), we will EASILY be 2-6 by the break (and who knows, maybe 1-7 -- we did lose to DET last year, and they improved over the offseason). So yes, it can and probably will, get worse.

I have this sinking feeling in my stomach that we saw the true team yesterday. I kept telling myself during the game that a guy like DMc has too much experience and leadership to lose a game like this, but then again our defense didn't play well at all. They were LITERALLY RIPPED TO SHREDS BY A ROOKIE QB ON ARGUABLY THE WORST TEAM IN FOOTBALL. Meanwhile, our offense put up 16 points. Is this a one game deal? Who knows. If they don't figure it out soon, it would appear that we are looking at the same old skins....

cleg · Post by **cleg** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:08 am

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:09 am

turrble

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:11 am

markshark84 wrote:Unfortuntely, it can. As I have been saying all year -- we have a bear of a schedule. We next play AT Philly, then arguably 2 of the best teams in the league in GB and INDY, then 2-0 CHI.

If we play even remotely similar (and I mean remotely), we will EASILY be 2-6 by the break (and who knows, maybe 1-7 -- we did lose to DET last year, and they improved over the offseason). So yes, it can and probably will, get worse.

I have this sinking feeling in my stomach that we saw the true team yesterday. I kept telling myself during the game that a guy like DMc has too much experience and leadership to lose a game like this, but then again our defense didn't play well at all. They were LITERALLY RIPPED TO SHREDS BY A ROOKIE QB ON ARGUABLY THE WORST TEAM IN FOOTBALL. Meanwhile, our offense put up 16 points. Is this a one game deal? Who knows. If they don't figure it out soon, it would appear that we are looking at the same old skins....

We can't be thinking of record right now, we have to just work on playing better. On O we need to establish a running game and get more receivers involved in the action and we need a defense.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:11 am

Nice Barkely impersonation Frank haha

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:14 am

We were worse last season - we were not as bad as Detroit (even though we lost to them) but we were terrible

This season we are not as bad as a number of teams already and I think that given who is in charge here, we'll end up somewhere in the 14th to 20th range

there are a number of teams that I think will show that they have a lot more issues than we do and will end up with worse records (INCLUDING the Rams)

this "strength of schedule" stuff is bogus to me - when you are not a very good team EVERY game becomes difficult to win and more times than not the "better" team loses

these guys will get this franchise on track and that process will take a lot longer than many here thought just because you cannot replace all the parts that needed fixing last year very quickly - it will take at least 2 years and I think we'll see a consistently competitive product on the field as early as the middle of next season

we are a much better run franchise now and we will see the results of that in a short time

some here have delusions of granduer and don't see the progress because of what happened in the last 2 games

we were worse - we have made progress

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Mon Sep 27, 2010 12:10 pm

Yesterday looked like last year on offense, and much worse than last year on defense. Heyer ruins offenses.