Time to torch the entire organization

[BossHog]

I'd agree that if we have a capless year then we'd love to shed some salaries, but I guess for me O and D are separate discussions. There are a few moves we could make on D. Rogers and strong side LB could be upgraded for sure. We could dump CG's cap hit if it's a capless year. But mostly I like what we have. O we should start over with only a very few exceptions though. ey the only totally safe one, though I like Davis and would keep Dockery. I'd consider some others, like Thomas (Devon, not Randy), but we just don't have much to build on there.

Sorry, your posts don't make any sense to me. You say we don't need to start over, but contend that we really have NOTHING on offense. On defense we need a linebacker, a safety and probably one cornerback... probably a DT would be wise as well. In my opinion, if you have to replace as many as 10-12 STARTERS... that's categorically starting over. May not be 53 guys, but it is starting over.

Oh and add a new GM, new coach and a new system to that 'not starting over' argument too.

You talk about a season without a cap as if it is merely a possibility - as of this moment - THERE'S NO CAP NEXT YEAR. Why talk about it like it might happen - wouldn't it be more sensible to talk about it the other way around? Out of curiosity, when do you see a new CBA being reached between now and the beginning of next season? Are they 'working' on it?

To me it's just hilarious to say something like someone's view is 'extreme' and then admit that we need a whole new offense and a 1/3 of a defense in your 'argument'.

That's pretty extreme if you ask me, and to imply that it isn't is extremely ridiculous IMO.

You just seem to like the sound of your own keyboard clacking away on non-sensical rants - but you really should try and think about what you're posting occasionally... keep us guessing instead of just dismissing everything you type as complete combative garbage.

[Sir_Monk]

Devin Thomas is a horrible return man... and this team is an embarrassment.

because he had ONE bad game returning kicks???

are most people so angry on the boards today because they had such high hopes because of the way the team was playing recently, and jumped back onto the bandwagon??? guess most people are off again???

I am so angry today for several reasons:

We got B-slapped on national TV last night

We have been the butt of ESPN jokes all day today

I had people over to watch the game last night (yes there are Skins fans everywhere, even Tucson Arizona) and it was over two possessions in.

But most of all I'm angry today because we suck and have sucked for a long time.

I'm trying to stay positive on this one. At least Vinny is gone and Snyder is giving some indications that Bruce Allen, as GM, may signal some type of change in the way the front office operates. The game last night sucked, but not as bad as that Pats game from a few years back.

[DEHog]

Well actually, your logic seems kind of backwards... being that the cap is one of the biggest problems, then wouldn't the season WITHOUT a cap be the best (and only) time to re-build completely?

I understand the sentiment, and obviously we don't need to be looking for 53 new guys, but a capless year would definitely be the time to trim off the fat wouldn't it?

I'd agree that if we have a capless year then we'd love to shed some salaries, but I guess for me O and D are separate discussions. There are a few moves we could make on D. Rogers and strong side LB could be upgraded for sure. We could dump CG's cap hit if it's a capless year. But mostly I like what we have. O we should start over with only a very few exceptions though. ey the only totally safe one, though I like Davis and would keep Dockery. I'd consider some others, like Thomas (Devon, not Randy), but we just don't have much to build on there.

It's not if it's when. The owners are hell bent on getting a bigger cut of revenue. No only will next be a capless season but they will lock out the players in 2011. The players sold out for an uncapped season but an uncapped season also means no minimum cap and you will see many owner spend much less next year and than (unless the players give of a higher cut of revenue) lock out the players in 2011 and then will actually make more during the lockout because the TV contract are guaranteed!! They players aren’t backing down and are preparing for a battle which is why they elected D Smith a lawyer who ahs no ties to the NFL. It’s going to be very interesting to watch how this thing unfolds

[grampi]

I love how we REALLY show up to play on the nationally televised games

Yep and we got another one Sunday night vs Dallas. I can't wait to watch the Skins gack all over the field in that game too.

[fleetus]

This team has been bad for a while now - what we saw tonight is who we really are - this is a group of talented players that need to be brought together and coached properly to play together as a team - we are going to get better - hopefully Snyder let's the FO guys that know how to make this franchise be competitive again, do their thing

Yep. It starts with the HC. The HC should get support from the FO in getting good players to fit the system who have good personalities/character. We don't have the best HC, IMO, he's a little too soft. BUt Zorn has been abandoned by Cerrato/Snyder this year. They have NOT supported him at all. That has totally turned the team upside down. Now Snyder fires Cerrato and hires Allen and the players know Zorn is gone. Who are they playing for? If not for each other, or the fans, they've got nothing to play for.

We need to replace some of these players with ones who will play as a team no matter what.

[KazooSkinsFan]

You just seem to like the sound of your own keyboard clacking away on non-sensical rants - but you really should try and think about what you're posting occasionally... keep us guessing instead of just dismissing everything you type as complete combative garbage.

The post was we should blow up the team, I said it was extreme, you challenged that view and I said OK, I'd agree with the O but not the D. You say that IS blowing up "the team" and therefore I'm wrong. Fine, our difference is I don't think "blowing up half the team" is "blowing up the team."

I suppose on liking the sound of my keyboard clicking away, it's not the way I'd phrase it but I guess not really inaccurate. I like saying what I think. So I have to give you that one.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Owner spend much less next year and than (unless the players give of a higher cut of revenue) lock out the players in 2011 and then will actually make more during the lockout because the TV contract are guaranteed!! They players aren’t backing down and are preparing for a battle which is why they elected D Smith a lawyer who ahs no ties to the NFL. It’s going to be very interesting to watch how this thing unfolds

Fair enough, but my views weren't really expressed in terms of the cap negotiations or capless year, I was more referring to steady state. I do agree that if there's a capless year then I would be more aggressive to shed the cap space we've locked up from prior year spending.

As for the inevitability of what you say will happen, it sounds reasonable to me, but I don't have enough personal knowledge to either agree or disagree it's going to happen. Given what's happened in all the sports though with caps, lockouts and strikes I'd have to agree everything you're saying is feasible.

[Redskin_ty]

We need to stop trying to convert Orakpo to a LB he is a pass rusher. We need to dump Rogers. We need a alot of pieces but that is what you get when you try to build your team thru free-agency and trading your picks for high priced veterens. We need to build thru the draft and develop players so when a starter goes down we do not need to get a guy off the street. We have had to many coaches and to many players go thru here that we are not stable we are always wanting to change. If we get a new coach we need to give him time for his system to work!!!!!! Lets get one thing straight we are not going to win anytime soon cause we have no depth at any position. I love the Skins but I have to be honest what this organization has been doing for the past 15 years.

[welch]

I think we need to let Bruce Allen get to work. Then we'll see who stays and who goes. My instinct says that the team that played the second half of the season has most of the "keepers".

[RayNAustin]

As disappointing and poor as the team played Monday night, it's an overreaction to cite this game as proof that blowing the team up is the answer.

I remember the Redskins blowing out Denver in the Super Bowl 42-10, but I doubt if anyone believed Denver needed to scrap their team afterward.

To be honest, with the offense playing as poorly as it has, for as long as it has, it's a testament to the character of the team that something like this didn't happen much sooner. Now throw in the Bingo caller ... the unsuccessful attempts to replace Campbell in the offseason, along with the questionable decision making by coaches .. and the revelations coming from Haynesworth about Blache's arrogant bull headed reactions ( "Get out of my face" ) upon suggestions of how to better apply pressure from the d-line .. I believe that the problems on this team are heavily weighted to poor coaching and player frustration ... rather than lack of skill or heart on the player's side.

Clearly we've ALL questioned how Arakpo has been utilized at LB while still recording double digit sacks. Now we hear that Haynesworth has been handcuffed ... and this is not the first time such criticisms have come up. We have Landry out there show boating when he makes a routine tackle that he should be making .. and getting burned almost every game for big points. And we CONSTANTLY see defensive backs being lined up 10 yards off the line of scrimmage on 3rd and 5.

So you have a great deal of frustration on the defense for playing too conservatively, while being expected to win games that look like baseball scores ... playing with an offense that after 20+ games still couldn't figure out how produce even mediocre NFL level production, and a head coach that continued to preach "Stay Medium" when he should be SCREAMING ATTACK!!!

And ... according to Zorn, he and the entire staff are on the same page, and are doing all of the right things?

No .. it's preeeeety clear there are major issues in how this team is being prepared, including what some players are being asked to do, and what other players are being told not to do each week.

Clearly, the o-line needs a couple of dependable starters added, and a little more depth ... but they aren't quite as bad as they sometimes look. Campbell plays a major role in that by his slow decision making and tendencies for holding the ball too long. It's a combination of 0-line breakdowns and less than optimum skill from the QB. The rest of the offense has the talent with ey, Davis, Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Mitchel, Yoder, Ganther, Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Sellers.

On defense, no matter what anyone says, Hall is still the best in the secondary ... Smoot has lost a step but is still a good nickel, and Doughty comes to play, and does pretty well for his less than super star physical abilities. The liability is Rogers & Landry. And a good case could be made for dumping both of these 1st round knuckleheads, but I'd like to first see a GOOD coach stick a foot in Landry's butt before totally giving up on him. Rogers, on the other hand strikes me as not being very bright, and never has been able to catch a cold from day one. So bye bye to him and his overpriced, under performing butt.

1) Axe the staff ... every last one, and let the new Coach (Shannahan) pick his own.

2) Try to get something for Campbell ... 2nd or a 3rd

3) Axe Rogers, and read Landry the riot act

4) Sadly, let Portis go for a 2nd or 3rd if there are any takers

5) Clean up that o-line ... a couple of picks, and free agency

6) Draft the best QB prospect with the number one pick

7) Sign a vet QB like Garcia as a backup, and retain Collins for one more year. And play the heck out of Brennan in the pre-season with the first team ... we'll never know what the kid can do unless he's given a shot.

Resign yourself to 2010 being the first year in a two-three year plan for remaking a quality club.

[Skinsfan55]

1.) We need to clean house, but there's some real talent here, like Bugel, Gray, etc. the new coach should make his own decisions on staff, but I wouldn't dismiss the whole staff without an exhaustive exit process.

2.) The way he's played the last few weeks we probably could get a second or third for him... starting quality QB's don't come around every day. Consider this though, he's on pace for 3,500+ passing yards, 20 touchdowns and a 64.6 comp%. That's the best season for a Redskins QB in 10 years... and you might say he was even better than 1999 Johnson. You could argue it's the best season since Rypien in 1991. Maybe we should keep him, he's only 27 and he's gotten better every year.

3.) Why would we axe Rogers? He's an excellent cornerback, he shouldn't be cut just because he's got bad hands, he's an elite cover guy who's big enough to play run support. With no guys coming to help in free agency (no CBA) then I would say he's a definite keeper... and he's young. Get him to sign an extension.

4.) If Shanny is the coach, Portis stays... also with no CBA we might be able to keep Portis at reasonable money. He's a favorite in the locker room, and still has the skills.

5.) Obviously something must be done here... if an elite tackle is available, I say take them.

6.) If Shanny is the coach he might very well want his own QB, but Campbell will be relatively cheap, and looks to be productive, imagine him behind a decent line with ANY sort of running attack. I say tackle is a MUCH bigger need than QB.

7.) It's impossible to determine who will be the backup QB without a coach in mind. If it's Shannahan we might see Patrick Ramsey back, or Sage Rosenfels, or someone who knows his system... or a second or third rounder learning with Campbell and Brennan.

There's no reason you can't put a quality product on the field while building for bigger and better things. In fact, I don't think it could work any other way. The big thing we need to do IMO is get a decent FS somehow and play Landry in his true position, allow Haynesworth to "create havok" and put Orakpo's hand on the ground. He's plenty strong enough for DE.

[RayNAustin]

Rogers elite? Come on ... haven't you been watching? He get's beat more that the drums of the marching band. He played pretty well last year but has not matched that performance this year in spite of the huge increase in pressure from the d-line. Turnovers are money in this league, and Rogers has hands of stone

Gray is a highly respected coach, but I'm not convinced of his value given the number of big plays that have plagued this secondary this year. For sure, Jackson has failed to get Landry to stop biting on every double move, or flailing his body at ball carriers and whiffing on tackles ... and I mean WHIFFING. He is supposed to be one of the leaders on this defense, but I'm not buying this out of position argument ... safeties must be good at run support, but their first duty (even a strong safety) is to be able to stop big plays, and create TOs.

Campbell is a stat machine, and collects good numbers, which just about any QB could do with an offense who's passing game is within 7 yards of the line 75% of the throws.

The area where few carefully evaluate is his "situational stats" which are fairly poor, including the pathetic TD numbers from outside of the red zone. From 50 yard line to the 20, ZERO TDs Campbell is at or close to the bottom of the heap in this critical area. 16 of his 18 TD passes this year came from inside the 20 ... and 2 from Redskin territory.

His TD numbers are up this year but all of the improvement has come from scheme in the Red Zone ... not from his arm.

[fredp45]

I love it, when JC throws 20 TDs we credit the scheme, when he throws less we blame him...

Come on...give the guy credit. He has done very well under serious pressure. A lot of very good qb's (e.g., Eli) would not have taken this kind of punishment and continued to play this well, or at all. They'd be hurt by now.

JC is NOT our problem.

We need virtually an entire OLine, a fast RB (to pair with Clinton or Ganther) and one of our taller WRs to step up in 2010.

[RayNAustin]

Give it up. The consistent factor with Campbell is his inability to throw TD passes ... and I refer to TD passes as something other than a 5 yard toss inside the 20 when the receiver runs the other 8 yards for the score. That might just as easily be a run, and doesn't indicate a major skill improvement. The increase from 13 to 18 TDs relates to more opportunities in the red zone and or more effective execution in the red zone, and 7 of those TDs came over a three game stretch. When it comes to qurterbacking skills, i.e. throwing TD passes, he's shown no improvement whatsoever, if anything, he's regressed. I might add that the Redskins have had the easiest schedule imaginable this year ... playing the most winless teams in the history of the NFL ... that's right, an NFL record number of winless teams.

In his first 7 games starting in 2006 he threw 10 TD passes, 4 of which were outside the 20, and 3 were from the 50 and in. Since then, he's thrown 1 TD pass from the 50 and in, over THREE SEASONS. This year he has a total of 2 TDs that came from outside the red zone ... compared to McNabb who has 9, Romo 11, and Manning 14.

More importantly, in his first 7 games in 2006 he was 2-5 (which is eerily consistent with his 4-10 record this year). In 2007, he went a full half a season without a single TD to a wide receiver ... he finished his year in week 13 ... he was 5-7, on his way to 5-8 before he was injured. In 2008 he went 8-8 ...after a 6-2 start, he finished 2-6. This year he's 4-10.

Over the past 22 games, he's 6-16 as a starter. That's the ONLY stat that counts, and it sucks.

Is it just a H U G E coincidence that the only 2 years the Redskins have had a winning record and went to the playoffs was either before Campbell became the starter, or the year he was injured?

Just a big coincidence I guess ... or maybe it's a conspiracy.

[Manchester_Redskin]

I guess the off season will show ...

if Campbell is as good as some people maintain then we should have a herd of GM's banging down the gates, just lining up to give us loads of picks for his trade.

[Gibbs4Life]

The big thing we need to do IMO is get a decent FS somehow and play Landry in his true position,

So which is it in Round 1 a OT or Eric Berry at FS?

[fredp45]

You can't judge a quarterback on their own merits without looking at the entire offense. It isn't like looking at stats for a baseball pitcher.

Many years ago, Steve Carlton won 27, or so, games with the Phils, they only won 45, or so, as a team...it was easy to tell...he was a HOF pitcher.

A qb is the product of a system, a very complicated system. Offense is not instinct or agression like defense, it's about timing, protection, the right play for the right defense, & precision...which means, without protection or the right play being called or a proper route being run, the qb will look bad.

For the past two years, we've had a terrible OLine, in fact, one of the worst in the NFL, IMO, so the protection wasn't there. We've drafted Reinhart, Dockert & Samuels in the past 9 YEARS! Beyond that -- NOTHING!!! Vinnie drafted more DBs than OLine...the NFL is about protecting your QB's health and giving them time. Maybe you're too young but when the Skins excelled in the 80's, it was their oline that carried them, ala, the HOGS!!! We won it with average, at best, QBs!

Vinnie did not give the team a chance by only signing a team full of non-drafted olineman. Heyer and Williams from Md...hey, I love MD, I went there but those two guys are practice squad players. Mike Williams hasn't played in 4 years...give me a break. Levi Jones was cut by the Bengals to start the year and NO one wanted him, a LT and no one wanted him, but US. Oline is so important that every draft should bring in another player. Even a 3rd or 4th round center or guard. They may not start year 1 but they are your depth. You can't draft all little guys (db's, wr's, qb's) and expect to have a quality OLine. Rabach and Dockery are servicable players for another year.

We had 2 rookie WRs and 1 rookie TE last year...none of the 3 did a thing to help our offense last year, in fact, they were a burden. They're helping more this year. I predicted when we drafted them -- don't expect anything from them for 2 years...it's normal transition into the NFL for WR's. I think that's hurt Zorn's offense, Vinnie saddled him with 3 players that had to make the roster but weren't going to help the team for a couple years -- after his departure actually! It's exactly why you never draft 3 WR's/TEs in one year...never. That position takes too long to learn the system. Draft an OG/C with one of those 3 picks and we would have had a player today starting.

I look at a team as how to improve the biggest weaknesses -- NOT how to have star-studded players at the positions that sell jerseys. I see enough good in JC that I'd take a chance on him and improve our oline. If we do that and he doesn't do it, then get a QB. Oline comes first. Sam Bradford behind this OLine becomes David Carr or an injured David Carr!

[DEHog]

No sure this thing has to be blown up…severely overhauled yes..
First you have to take into account that next year will be a uncapped year with no football in 2011. So I’m looking at 2010 as an audition year for this team. Snyder has become to close to some of the player so this is a golden opportunity to let Allen play the bad cop.

HC..let Allen hire one and get the hell out of his way.

At QB… He will not be a UFA…So I’m going to try and sign Jason to a one year deal…Look for a Vet QB in FA and if a good QB falls in the draft look to draft him in 2 or 3 round.
RB…I’m telling Clinton we want you but not at this price, ask him to restructure and become part of a two three back system. If not you have to cut him. Look to draft a RB in the in a lower round. Hopefully Betts makes it back by the middle of the season.

OL…Priority…since you will have to have 6 years in the league to become a UFA I’m going after the best OL available in FA that has more than 4 years left on him.. If a first round OL is there when we draft him.

WR Cut Moss and El look for Vet FA and let Kelly and Thomas play in 2010.

TE…Good…if someone want to give you crazy value for ey I’m listening.

DL..in good shape here…with new coaches I think they can improved Montgomery may be out and you have to make a decision on Daniels…I’d bring him back as a backup to Carter and Rak.
LB have to use a high pick on OLB Rocky will not become a UFA look to resign him if he doesn’t you may have to use one of the tow franchise tags each team will have next year.
DB We need a FS I want to see Laron “coached” at SS before I let him go. Horton and Moore will be more in the mix next year.
I’m not a big fan of Hall be he's here…Los will not become a UFA and no way I’m using a tag on him..look to sign for 1 year or let him seek a contract elsewhere and hope we get a low round pick. Smoot will have to be the other corner with Barnes stepping up. Look for a Vet and a rookie in the draft.

[RayNAustin]

I look at a team as how to improve the biggest weaknesses -- NOT how to have star-studded players at the positions that sell jerseys. I see enough good in JC that I'd take a chance on him and improve our oline. If we do that and he doesn't do it, then get a QB. Oline comes first. Sam Bradford behind this OLine becomes David Carr or an injured David Carr!

We've already been there .. already seen what Jason can and can't do, and aside all of the excuses, he's been pretty consistent in what he continues to struggle with. Unfortunately, that happens to be scoring points with his arm .. just slightly an important issue for a QB.

Again, I'll call on the Campbell-Collins comparison in 2007, simply because that's all we can look at relative to what another QB could or couldn't be expected to achieve with the supporting cast that you, and many others claim to be holding Campbell back.

In 2007, Campbell threw 1 TD from outside the red zone in 12 1/2 games. And the excuse makers were saying it was the conservative play calling and the short receivers and the bad pass pro, and the alignment of the stars and the galactic center of the milkyway .....

Collins came in and played 3 1/2 games, with the same players and coaches, and threw 5 TD from outside the red zone, 2 from the red zone, and we won all 4 games by 8 points or more. Furthermore, of those 7 TDs, 4 of them were in the 4th quarter, sealing those victories, and not allowing those dreadful last minute losses that have plagued the Redskins.

This information should have been a huge clue to both Redskin fans and the clowns running (ruining) this team ... but apparently it was not, since it was decided to continue banging the same thumb with the same hammer for two more seasons.

And it's not like we're talking about Tom Brady or Peyton Manning here ... this is Todd (fair to middling) Collins ... a competent if less than spectacular career backup QB who seemed capable of excelling with those terrible receivers and that leaky o-line that was the foundation for all of the "it ain't Jason's fault" excuse makers. B O L O G N A.

One touchdown from outside the red zone in three seasons should be ALL ANYONE needs to look at to realize why the Redskins have had trouble putting points on the board. You can even look at the three game stretch where the Redskins were finally competitive (NO, Philly, Oakland) where 7 of the season total 18 TDs came. Campbell always has a good stretch of games each year ... 2, 3 4 game stretch that causes everyone to say ... "see ... I told you .. Jason looks great ... " but it;s a mirage ... he inevitably follows up with two lousy stretches of 2,3 4 games. Last year he he had his good stretch early ... this year it didn't come until the season was already lost.

Yes, if you look only at total stats, Jason Campbell appears to be a decent, middle of the road QB ... and even if that were true (which it isn't) middle of the road is still unacceptable, unless you like watching the playoffs on TV rather than participating in them.

Name ONE QB who has had his "breakout" year in his 6th season? Just ONE !! There aren't any. But you want to convince me that Jason Campbell is going to be the first one ... and he's going to do it in 2010? Nonsense. Jason Campbell is what he is ... and what we have already seen is what you get with Jason Campbell ... a guy gifted with physical skills, but not very bright .. and still hasn't mastered the speed of the NFL game after 4 seasons as a starter. He's the 1st round draft pick that hasn't met expectations, like so many others. He is David Carr, Patrick Ramsey, Joey Harrington, Rex Grossman, J.P. Lossman.

That Campbell was taken one spot after Aaron Rogers proves that football is a game of inches ... and one might wonder just how different the Redskins might have been for the past 4 years had Rogers slipped one more spot. You win some and lose some ... and you have to recognize when it's time to fold, and not keep playing bad hands.

No one is going to argue that the o-line needs improvement ... my point is that the o-line consists of 5 players, and the QB is just one. And if you look at the Redskin's offensive weaknesses, Jason Campbell is the weakest link that can be addressed with a SINGLE PLAYER. The o-line will require 2 or 3 players, and likely take two years to complete ... one additional player on this o-line will not have the impact that a first rate QB would have.

Where will the Redskins get a first rate QB from? I don't know ... all I know is that it won't come from the guy currently wearing #17

The Jason Campbell experiment reminds me of an old joke ....

A guy is searching through a grassy area looking for his lost keys ... another guy asks him " where exactly did you drop them"? The guy points to a spot 50 yards to the left ... over there, he said ... the guy then asks "well what the heck are you doing looking for them here"? The guy says "because the light is better over here.

[gibbsfan]

all i,m going to say to this is there,s a part of this team that needs to be replaced traded for picks and there are parts that need to stay so bruce allen will determine that along with the new head coach in waiting.so the best way to build this back up is #1 change the attitude of this team.

then build on the OL/DL,s thru the draft and add on with free agency like a LB here and CB there and maybe even a OL guy here but i wouldn,t go crazy like in years past..shop but shop smart and not overpay for any player you see fit.

so blowing this team is probably the wrong thing to do but for one side of the ball mu=ight be in order to do just that the offensive line for starters and go from there.

JMHO

[SkinsJock]

regarding what has happened here recently

... This is a deal that several people have reported as a part of a bigger deal for several weeks now.

I agree RiC - the changes both real and aluded to have not just happened - this has obviously been in the works for many weeks

btw - I guess most here are just assuming that Shanahan is the next HC - I'd also venture to guess that this thinking is based on the fact that we always get whatever Snyder wants - I suppose that while we do not like most things that Snyder has done it's "OK" that the "hottest" HC right now is Shanahan so let's let Snyder loose and just get him - OK vent over

I do hope that Bruce Allen has decided who he thinks is the best fit as HC and also has thought out how the new FO is going to be structured after this season is over

at the Bruce Allen announcement we were led to believe that this franchise was going to be heading in a new direction and with new guys making the decisions here - this sounds great - it also sounds to me like Snyder might indeed be going to turn the team over to others, like we all have been asking him to do

now all of a sudden - it looks like "well, we need to get Shanahan so let's get Snyder to make this happen .... "


ANYWAY - regarding what needs to be done and how - Personally I am just going to let this unfold a little more - I'm not sure about having to "blow things up" but in essence what do you call it when we need so many changes to so many facets of this franchise

I do hope that we see big changes in who makes the decisions here - for starters, we need to let go ALL of the current coaching staff and bring in a new coaching staff that is assembled by the FO here - then we need the FO and coaching staff to evaluate the players here to decide who they have that suits what this franchise needs going forward - then we can begin to think about adding to this mix to begin the process of rebuilding this franchise and trying to put a consistently competitive product on the field


the most important and real changes we need here are a change in attitude and a feeling of accountability - it is time to change the culture around here

H A I L

[KazooSkinsFan]

7) ... And play the heck out of Brennan in the pre-season with the first team ... we'll never know what the kid can do unless he's given a shot.

Resign yourself to 2010 being the first year in a two-three year plan for remaking a quality club.

Longer then two or three years if we waste all our first team snaps on a kid last year who got cut for nobody. I know technically he went on IR, but given when it happened and that we kept no one, for all practical purposes he was cut. It was a clear no confidence vote. He won't make the team next year unless a miracle happens. But sure, let's toss our first team reps in the dumpster to see what we had when we cut him sometime next camp, if not before.

[RayNAustin]

7) ... And play the heck out of Brennan in the pre-season with the first team ... we'll never know what the kid can do unless he's given a shot.

Resign yourself to 2010 being the first year in a two-three year plan for remaking a quality club.

Longer then two or three years if we waste all our first team snaps on a kid last year who got cut for nobody. I know technically he went on IR, but given when it happened and that we kept no one, for all practical purposes he was cut. It was a clear no confidence vote. He won't make the team next year unless a miracle happens. But sure, let's toss our first team reps in the dumpster to see what we had when we cut him sometime next camp, if not before.

And your point is what? That this crack coaching staff couldn't have made a mistake? That the Redskins ALWAYS play the best player available .. at the position that best suites their skills?

You know ... the same argument was used against playing Collins in 2007 when JC was stinking up the joint ... then, circumstances forced a change, and look what happened. That noodle armed, career backup who no one believed could play, played circles around THE MAN.

Like I've said before ... I'd take the kid over Campbell ... he couldn't have done much worse, and he might surprise a few. Of course, we should give Campbell 6 years, and not give Brennan 6 games ... gotcha.

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Like I've said before ... I'd take the kid over Campbell ... he couldn't have done much worse, and he might surprise a few. Of course, we should give Campbell 6 years, and not give Brennan 6 games ... gotcha.

Who cares that an actual NFL coaching staff thought they could pick someone up who's teaching kickball to kindergartners after getting cut by someone in training camp as good as him so we could keep an extra special teams player instead of him as a third QB? You'd take him over Campbell, that's good enough for me.

And BTW, yes, he could have been a lot worse then Campbell. Campbell is good enough at least to be a backup NFL QB. Colt was dumped in favor of an extra special teams player.