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frankcal20 wrote:Whats your "Beat Philly" strategy?

Score more points than they do in 60 minutes of football.
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Offense

1. Use CP on the draw to beat the blitz (assuming the blitz is coming from the edges - and it comes from everywhere w/ Philly)

2. Throw a couple screen passes to Moss. He really can spread out the D with the bubble screen.

3. Balanced attack. Use the run to set up the pass. We can have some big plays - just look at what Dallas did to Philly. We have explosive receivers and a QB with a big arm. If we can minimize the blitz with runs and short passes, Campbell will have time on play action to get 2-3 big plays down field.

All the above assumes solid blocking by the O-line. They will have their hands full all day with the defensive scheme Philly uses.

Defense

1. Stop the run. We stopped the run in big D, and look what happened. I don't care who is running, don't let them!

2. Blitz the hell out of McNabb. Just like 90% of the QBs in the NFL, McNabb crumbles under heavy pressure. Get in his face and those passes will not be accurate. Let him sit back and he will pick apart the holes in the D.

3. Be patient. This is the kind of team that either busts open a big play from a McNab pass or a Westbrook screen play, or they get the goal line stand we saw last week. Keep after the ball and the turnovers will come, and with it victory!
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:This offense is further ahead than what I expected. This offense has the capability to put up more points in a game than we've seen over the span of 3 games in seasons past.

We will score points but what we need to work on is not settling for fieldgoals and converting turnovers into 7 points.

This game will be a big test for us and I feel confident that we'll win. However, I'm worried about the "easy" games we have after Philly. Now those seem like trap games and we have to make sure that we don't overlook them.

It's amazing how we were hoping to eek out 1 win from these 2 games and are now feeling confident about beating them soundly. Wow...



i think we're all confident about this game because of the manner of which we beat Dallas..

but i'm with ya tho, we have got to stop settling for field goals. i mean we were in the Redzone and settled for a field goal twice or 3 times last game i think. and we cant keep winning if we continue that.
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FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:Offense

1. Use CP on the draw to beat the blitz (assuming the blitz is coming from the edges - and it comes from everywhere w/ Philly)

2. Throw a couple screen passes to Moss. He really can spread out the D with the bubble screen.

3. Balanced attack. Use the run to set up the pass. We can have some big plays - just look at what Dallas did to Philly. We have explosive receivers and a QB with a big arm. If we can minimize the blitz with runs and short passes, Campbell will have time on play action to get 2-3 big plays down field.

All the above assumes solid blocking by the O-line. They will have their hands full all day with the defensive scheme Philly uses.

Defense

1. Stop the run. We stopped the run in big D, and look what happened. I don't care who is running, don't let them!

2. Blitz the hell out of McNabb. Just like 90% of the QBs in the NFL, McNabb crumbles under heavy pressure. Get in his face and those passes will not be accurate. Let him sit back and he will pick apart the holes in the D.

3. Be patient. This is the kind of team that either busts open a big play from a McNab pass or a Westbrook screen play, or they get the goal line stand we saw last week. Keep after the ball and the turnovers will come, and with it victory!



I agree with you on the Offense, but on defense i really think if you stop Westbrook, on the ground and in the air, you stop the whole Philly offense.. he has killed us in the past, and i think if can find a way to stop him(im not about to go into ways of stopping him and sound like a retard in doing so) then our chances of beating them are really good.
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Shut down Westbrook and contain Jackson and we should have no problems stopping Philly's O....

We need to pick up the blitz when we're on O and limit mistakes (no turnovers)

Should be a great game
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Keys on offense:

-- Do what we've continued doing and throw a few more draws and screens because we know Jim Johnson likes to blitz.


Keys on defense:

-- Get pressure from the front four because his accuracy is still not all that great.

-- Blitz occassionally but be careful that he can still run.

-- Beat up their receivers like we did Dallas'

-- Shut down the run like we did Dallas
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joebagadonuts wrote:My strategy: wear my lucky underwear.


Some strategies are meant to be kept secret... :-$
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roybus14 wrote:Keys on offense:

-- Do what we've continued doing and throw a few more draws and screens because we know Jim Johnson likes to blitz.


Keys on defense:

-- Get pressure from the front four because his accuracy is still not all that great.

-- Blitz occassionally but be careful that he can still run.

-- Beat up their receivers like we did Dallas'

-- Shut down the run like we did Dallas


Your secondary did not "Beat" up the receivers. Remember, Romo passed for 300 yards which is what the Skins D needs to work on against McCnabb. I wouldn't be too worried about the run considering the Westbrook injury.

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Rent-a-Hero wrote:
roybus14 wrote:Keys on offense:

-- Do what we've continued doing and throw a few more draws and screens because we know Jim Johnson likes to blitz.


Keys on defense:

-- Get pressure from the front four because his accuracy is still not all that great.

-- Blitz occassionally but be careful that he can still run.

-- Beat up their receivers like we did Dallas'

-- Shut down the run like we did Dallas


Your secondary did not "Beat" up the receivers. Remember, Romo passed for 300 yards which is what the Skins D needs to work on against McCnabb. I wouldn't be too worried about the run considering the Westbrook injury.

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Sad, really. The only thing missing from the Redskins game was a strong pass rush... Romo had pretty much all day to look for receivers... and usually had to look at his full progression then start again... that says that your receivers were pretty much locked up. Why are you counting the yardage given up by the skins during garbage time, when they were rushing 4, and it took Romo 9 and 10 seconds to find a receiver? That's a load.
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Countertrey wrote:
Rent-a-Hero wrote:
roybus14 wrote:Keys on offense:

-- Do what we've continued doing and throw a few more draws and screens because we know Jim Johnson likes to blitz.


Keys on defense:

-- Get pressure from the front four because his accuracy is still not all that great.

-- Blitz occassionally but be careful that he can still run.

-- Beat up their receivers like we did Dallas'

-- Shut down the run like we did Dallas


Your secondary did not "Beat" up the receivers. Remember, Romo passed for 300 yards which is what the Skins D needs to work on against McCnabb. I wouldn't be too worried about the run considering the Westbrook injury.

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Sad, really. The only thing missing from the Redskins game was a strong pass rush... Romo had pretty much all day to look for receivers... and usually had to look at his full progression then start again... that says that your receivers were pretty much locked up. Why are you counting the yardage given up by the skins during garbage time, when they were rushing 4, and it took Romo 9 and 10 seconds to find a receiver? That's a load.


Also worth noting that the Cowboys abandoned the run altogether late in the second quarter.
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Countertrey wrote:
Rent-a-Hero wrote:
roybus14 wrote:Keys on offense:

-- Do what we've continued doing and throw a few more draws and screens because we know Jim Johnson likes to blitz.


Keys on defense:

-- Get pressure from the front four because his accuracy is still not all that great.

-- Blitz occassionally but be careful that he can still run.

-- Beat up their receivers like we did Dallas'

-- Shut down the run like we did Dallas


Your secondary did not "Beat" up the receivers. Remember, Romo passed for 300 yards which is what the Skins D needs to work on against McCnabb. I wouldn't be too worried about the run considering the Westbrook injury.

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Sad, really. The only thing missing from the Redskins game was a strong pass rush... Romo had pretty much all day to look for receivers... and usually had to look at his full progression then start again... that says that your receivers were pretty much locked up. Why are you counting the yardage given up by the skins during garbage time, when they were rushing 4, and it took Romo 9 and 10 seconds to find a receiver? That's a load.


I agree, Romo had an exceptional amount of time in the back field which means our receivers were having trouble finding islands and getting open. But that still doesn't explain a 300 yard passing game. A little more pressure from the defensive line could have cut this number in two which would have ultimately lead to an even worse defeat. I say stick with the current game plan(which is working wonders). The D line just needs to apply a little more pressure in the passing game and the skins will have yet another win. The Redskins D will probably run more contaiment packages to try and prevent McNabb from excaping the pocket when the pressure comes. The safety position will play a large roll in this match up. They will need to move forward just enough to covers the islands that will be left open. The D backs (especially the middle line backer) will need to play in the mid field to defend the desparate 5 or 6 yard pass attempts to the tight end in the mid field. No need to cover the flats, the containments will do that for you. The sking will hold them to small gains which will result in field goals.



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Score more points than the Eagles and we will win the game guaranteed.
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On a more serious note..

I hate to say it but I hope the team gets over the Cowboys game and has the focus against Philly. Philly is no slouch either. I really really hope there is no let down this week. Philly has dropped to 2-2 and will be hungry to give the Skins a loss.

Heck Mcnabb was quoted earlier in the year saying that last year they should have beaten the Redskins. I cant remember where the article was, actually it was an interview. I was pissed when I heard that. Even though I know Mcnabb has given our team a couple but whoopins. Either way I just hope the team keeps the focus and have forgotten about the Cowboys game already. Even though it was sweet I hope they are back down to earth by now.
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Fios wrote:Also worth noting that the Cowboys abandoned the run altogether late in the second quarter.


Also worth noting that many of those yards came at the end of the first and second halves, when the Redskins were willing to give up three points (1st half) or six points and clock (2nd half).
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I would mix up man and zone coverage against the Eagles passing game. I wouldn't do man the whole game because of the health of the secondary, and with our pass rush its unreasonable to ask someone to cover man to man the whole time, I think it will wear out a DB.
-Front 7- Discipline, stay in the rush lanes, bump or hit Brian every time he tries to go out into the flat.

Offense
- I would try and go to Cooley and Portis early, control the ball wear that front 7 out. This seems more a pass blitz D, a type that can be worn out.
-Than hopefully the safties will focus on Portis and Cooley to open up Santana one on one. Samual is a good CB, so thats why I would try and take away the safety help, with safety help I think it will be hard for Santana to get big catches. Don't get me wrong I would still try and get some points early, but I would also try some ball control wear out that D, because if the D makes one big play thats a momentum changer.
I am not sure how good this strategy is, but off the top of my head this is what I would do.
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As a long time Skins fan and NVA trasplant I have a unique insight into the Philly mind (or lack of one)..as I live right here in Olde City Phili.

The Philly fan is very fickle and demands wins from their team. I have an opportunity every week to watch the eagles and I do... best to know you're enemy.

My observations this year.

The Eagles defense is the most potent/consistent part of this team. The linebacker core may be the best in the league. They have a young front four but they can pressure the quarter back very well. The Pittsburg game was an example of that. That being said I believe the new quick pass game of the Skins can frustrate the Eagles pass rush by pushing out the quick slant and mid range route.

The eagles secondary is strong as well..Dallas game aside they are a good group and JC will have to keep his eyes moving like last week to keep Samuel and Brown off balence. Safety Brian Dawkins is still a good player in the box but he can be beat when put in a man v man situation against a fast reciever.

The Eagles offense is still finding itself in the passing game. They have a great new rookie in D.Jackson but he tends to make the same mistakes that Devin Thomas makes...dumb rookie ones that end up costing points. Well Thomas isn't that bad, but the 2 back to back PI calls were almost as bad as the back to back holding calls by Casey Rabach against Dallas.

That being said Brian Westbrook is the key to the offense. If he is healthy he makes everything else in the offense flow. They (IGGLES) were out of sync against the Bears last week without Westbrook. They depend on him to rip large gains from the screen to move the team for their other weapons.

How do the Skins win?

Use a simliar game plan to the one in Dallas. The eagles WR's are not as talented as TO and Company but they deserve respect because McNabb will hit them in the west coast offense they run. Stay alert for the screen because the Eagles run it better than any team I've seen and that could be dangerous if Westbrook is in the backfield. So this means the Skins must TACKLE WELL

Get their linebackers running in coverage early in the game. Get them tired for the running game that the skins are using to great effiencey in the 4th quarter.

Turnovers. Make McNabb force a play. He loves... I mean loves to force a play.

Our defense did a great job disquising our blitz packages. Having watched the Dallas game at least 5 times now (DVR) I can say that I couldn't tell who was coming at any given time. Really awesome....

I think it will be a great game to watch. The eagles are calling this a "must win" game for them after losses to Dallas and Chicago...NFC rivals.

I will be busting stones all day with my Eagle fan friends! HAIL SKINS!
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I just want to see Laron Landry give DeSean Jackson a "Welcome to the NFL" moment. :twisted:
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Prediction—Eagles Working, Skins Having Fun


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Last Sunday, the Redskins faced the task of going into the house of one of the NFL's elite teams and they came out with a victory.

This Sunday, the Redskins are again are going on the road to face the Philadelphia Eagles.

The Eagles are not one of the league's elite teams.

I'm going to go there and use the O-word on them.

As in overrated.

They've been mired in the NFL's mass of mediocrity for the past few years. They went 6-10 in 2005. The next year they won their last five games to get into the playoffs at 10-6. They followed that up in 2007 with an 8-8 performance.

So that's one bad year followed by a pretty good year followed by a mediocre year. That kind of reminds me of what the Bengals have done in the same time span, only in a slightly different order. It kind of reminds me of the Panthers. It's not unlike the Redskins' performance over the last three years, only not quite as good. Does anyone talk about the Bungles in a conversation about the league's elite teams? The media finally gave up on the Panthers. And if the Redskins were 2-2 would they be in the top half of anyone's power rankings?

But the Eagles are still talked about as a force to be reckoned with.

They're not.

Don't get me wrong, they're not bad. Andy Reid is a very accomplished coach, although his message may be wearing thin in his 10th year in the same place. They field very good players in many positions, especially on the offensive and defensive lines. Their top three corners could start for most teams in the league, including the Redskins.

But something always seems to go awry. In Dallas their offense showed up but their D couldn't stop Romo and company. Their defense was utterly dominant against Pittsburgh but they couldn't put the Steelers away until the fourth quarter. Last week in Chicago both sides of the ball had issues. Kyle Orton—Kyle Orton!—threw three touchdown passes in the first half. The defense tightened up in the second half but Philly couldn't punch it in after driving to a first and goal at the four. They had three shots from the one and they didn't get it done.

All of that being said, this will not be an easy game for the Redskins. They are going on the road to face a division opponent. Jason Campbell's newfound confidence will be tested by a defense that blitzes, confuses, and features the aforementioned stud corners. Bryan Westbrook's ankle appears to be healing well enough to give him a shot at playing and he's a certified Redskins killer. Donovan McNabb also frequently finds a way to give the Redskins fits.

But, right now, the Redskins are the better team. Right now it seems like every active player with the exception of Todd Collins every week does something to help out. Rookie Chris Horton makes a veteran play to intercept Romo, Kareem Moore is downfield on kick coverage, Todd Yoder slips into the end zone to make a touchdown grab, H. B. Blades performs well in a starting role when Marcus Washington is hurt, Demitric Evans excels when Jason Taylor goes out. I could go on but you know what I mean.

Back in the late '60's and early '70's when the NFL had 40-man roster limits, the Minnesota Vikings liked to use the slogan "40 for 60", meaning 40 players fighting together for 60 minutes. Something like "45 (plus Colt) for 60 (plus as many overtime minutes as may be necessary)" wouldn't flow quite as smoothly, but it would fit the '08 Redskins.

And don't forget Jim Zorn, who right now is giving the Redskins an edge over 60 minutes, keeping the opposition off balance with his play calling. And he's keeping his team on an even keel.

Sometimes you don't have to go down through the player matchups to figure out who has an edge in a particular game. Instead of looking at Team A's right guard vs. Team B's right tackle, you can look at the mindset matchup.

The Redskins are having fun. The Eagles are going to work.

The Skins will be having a lot more fun on Sunday at about 4:15 when Zorn is leading another three cheers for the Redskins.

Redskins 24, Eagles 10


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I wouldn't go that far... I haven't drunk my kool-aid yet but I did pour myself a glass.

I'll wait till Sunday to get the bandwagon juice flowing.
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ChocolateMilk wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:This offense is further ahead than what I expected. This offense has the capability to put up more points in a game than we've seen over the span of 3 games in seasons past.

We will score points but what we need to work on is not settling for fieldgoals and converting turnovers into 7 points.

This game will be a big test for us and I feel confident that we'll win. However, I'm worried about the "easy" games we have after Philly. Now those seem like trap games and we have to make sure that we don't overlook them.

It's amazing how we were hoping to eek out 1 win from these 2 games and are now feeling confident about beating them soundly. Wow...



i think we're all confident about this game because of the manner of which we beat Dallas..

but i'm with ya tho, we have got to stop settling for field goals. i mean we were in the Redzone and settled for a field goal twice or 3 times last game i think. and we cant keep winning if we continue that.

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Rent-a-Hero wrote:
roybus14 wrote:Keys on offense:

-- Do what we've continued doing and throw a few more draws and screens because we know Jim Johnson likes to blitz.


Keys on defense:

-- Get pressure from the front four because his accuracy is still not all that great.

-- Blitz occassionally but be careful that he can still run.

-- Beat up their receivers like we did Dallas'

-- Shut down the run like we did Dallas


Your secondary did not "Beat" up the receivers. Remember, Romo passed for 300 yards which is what the Skins D needs to work on against McCnabb. I wouldn't be too worried about the run considering the Westbrook injury.

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I think that they did especially Springs on T.O. But anyway....
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