post game discussion. Skins vs pukes.

[joedondero1919]

for what its worth....

tampa -3 vs. redskins

and important games for us...

green bay -4 @ detroit
arizona -10.5 vs. san fran
philly @ new england... no line yet... no line needed, pats win

[joedondero1919]

we struggle to get a td, any td. patroits have 3, 1Q into the game

[CanesSkins26]

for what its worth....

tampa -3 vs. redskins

and important games for us...

green bay -4 @ detroit
arizona -10.5 vs. san fran
philly @ new england... no line yet... no line needed, pats win

Tampa is going to be a tough game. They are playing very well right now.

[skins2357]

I was very impressed with the playcalling. I can tell you for a fact that JG had nothing to do with it. 1st down runs, reverses, 50+ passes...... no way it was Gibbs. I think everyone can agree that there was a difference between this offense and our offense so far this year. I am worried about Saunders leaving and our team getting another setback. I can honestly say that the reason our offense has struggled is because of Gibbs, numbers dont lie and Saunders has been successful everywhere else. Do u really think his offense SUDDENLY did not work? Nope, JG had something to ay about it. Gibbs turns playcalling back over to Saunders 100% and they perfporm well. Kind of ironic isnt it?

[MEZZSKIN]

uh guys this Moral victory stuff is hogwash to me--no pun intended
Since Gibbs won that playoff game in Tampa hes won 10 of 27 and counting ...thats pure garbage.....oh and since that WC tampa win were 2-8 in the division... ,,,,yes we have a QB now ..........But we also have a insanely conservative coach that still settles for 50 yarders on 4th and 1 up 7-0 when were 11 point dogs...
we have a no height at WR
we an aging defense line that tires every second half..

im miserable.....this operation is going nowhere fast

WE JUST LOST to DALLAS GUYS!....remember that blow out at Fed Ex two years ago.....how the heck did the gap between the two teams widen so much???????????

its always something with us...dropped ints , dropped passes, overthrown receivers....its always something.....ALways

[Hoss]

I was very impressed with the playcalling. I can tell you for a fact that JG had nothing to do with it. 1st down runs, reverses, 50+ passes...... no way it was Gibbs. I think everyone can agree that there was a difference between this offense and our offense so far this year. I am worried about Saunders leaving and our team getting another setback. I can honestly say that the reason our offense has struggled is because of Gibbs, numbers dont lie and Saunders has been successful everywhere else. Do u really think his offense SUDDENLY did not work? Nope, JG had something to ay about it. Gibbs turns playcalling back over to Saunders 100% and they perfporm well. Kind of ironic isnt it?

well that answers that.......

[Irn-Bru]

well that answers that.......

It's so simple: offense working must = Saunders calling the plays; all weaknesses on offense must = Gibbs' problems.

[CanesSkins26]

Since Gibbs won that playoff game in Tampa hes won 10 of 27 and counting ...thats pure garbage.....oh and since that WC tampa win were 2-8 in the division.

Wow. I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize it was this bad. That divisional record is particularly disturbing because other than Dallas this year, our division hasn't been particularly strong last season or this season. If our coach was anybody other than Gibbs, he would have been fired by now.

[CanesSkins26]

well that answers that.......

It's so simple: offense working must = Saunders calling the plays; all weaknesses on offense must = Gibbs' problems.

Well the offensive did look more like a Saunders-type offense today than it has at any other point during the last season and half.

[Hoss]

well that answers that.......

It's so simple: offense working must = Saunders calling the plays; all weaknesses on offense must = Gibbs' problems.

Well the offensive did look more like a Saunders-type offense today than it has at any other point during the last season and half.

which, i guess, made it a good day for saunders......

[Deadskins]

That divisional record is particularly disturbing because other than Dallas this year, our division hasn't been particularly strong last season or this season.

Yeah, sending three teams to the playoffs last season, and most likely again this year, is really lame, isn't it? Oh wait, that's the most one division can possibly send.

[joedondero1919]

for what its worth, our opponent in two weeks, the bills, are getting their heads handed to them at home by the pats. 35-7 halftime. the pats have scored a TD on EVERY drive thus far.

[Irn-Bru]

That divisional record is particularly disturbing because other than Dallas this year, our division hasn't been particularly strong last season or this season.

What? Maybe you could say that about last year, but this year we don't have a single team under .500 this year, which only one other division can match. All of our teams rank in the top 12-13 of most rating systems. This statement doesn't reflect reality. The NFC East is the toughest division in the NFL this year.

If our coach was anybody other than Gibbs, he would have been fired by now.

I certainly hope not. This franchise has been a revolving door for coaches in recent years, and it doesn't help anything; in fact, it makes everything much worse.

[Champsturf]

Closer than I thought, but another cowardly call by Gibbs. Why was he having Suisham kick a 50yd. FG on 4 and 1 in the first half? Go for it, Joe!!

Was that a cowardly call? Or a courageous demonstration of faith in his defense? Never mind... I already know you want him tossed under the bus.

Cowardly call...Gibbs is offensive minded, right? He has no say on the defense, so why count on them? Grow a sack and go for it...show some faith in YOUR offense. You give up momentum by kicking, making it or not. Not making it just makes it worse.

As far as the game goes, I loved the way all 3 facets played. One long missed FG that shouldn't have been kicked, so be it. Good D, considering the points the Cowboys usually put up. The O, what can I say? I thought it looked GREAT!!! Only one questionable call, IMHO. I don't think they should've gone for the 2nd 4th/1.

GOOD GAME SKINS!!!! Hold your heads up high and kick some arse next week.

[MEZZSKIN]

changing coachs makes things worse? funny because that didn't look like Bill parcells on the sidelines for dallas did it?.......Wade phillips has 9 wins this year..9 of 10.........OUR BIG TIME HALL OF FAME GURU---is 10 of last 27 ...let me repeat that TWENTY SEVEN GAMES!....and people are worried about change.......lolol.......

oh but thats right as Parcells was building a first rate team for years to come....Our FO led by Gibbs were using there ever famous ROBBING PETER TO PAUL front office methods to build a team.....thats why Dallas is 19-8 in its last 27 and were 10-17.........

[Irn-Bru]

changing coachs makes things worse? funny because that didn't look like .........

Funny, because I didn't say "changing coachs makes things worse." Why on Earth would anyone say that as a general principle or rule of thumb?

[CanesSkins26]

What? Maybe you could say that about last year, but this year we don't have a single team under .500 this year, which only one other division can match. All of our teams rank in the top 12-13 of most rating systems. This statement doesn't reflect reality. The NFC East is the toughest division in the NFL this year.

The division is competitive in terms of us, the Giants, and Eagles being close in terms of record, but that is far different than the teams actually being good. Dallas, no doubt, is a very good team. The Giants, even though they have a good record, are not a complete team and are very average. The Skins and the Eagles are equally mediocre. The Giants have only beaten one team with a winning record and that was Detroit. The Eagles, likewise, have only beaten one team with a winning record, and that was also Detroit. And just like NY and Philly, the Detroit game so far has been our only win against a winning team.

[tribeofjudah]

Moss had a great game.....finally, but we lost.
JC had a great game....., but we lost.

The D had a solid first half, and floundered the second, and we lost.
Saunders called a pretty good game, but we lost.

Greg Williams, Gibbs,...... you both NEED to make half time adjustments...

you didn't......

AND WE LOST...........

[MEZZSKIN]

canes totally agree...its not record were looking --its the games-- in the age of parity 2-8 is disgusting no matter how we slice and dice it..its designed for 5-5 ...4-6 3-7 at worst ---2-8 and your an embarassment..

think about all those games ...most were insanely tight games....but we always lose....theres something wrong...period

Giants were disaster last year losing 6 of last 7 leading up the season finale..TOM COUGHLIN's JOB WAS ON LINE --CONFIRMED...ernie accorsi former gm--wrote about how Charlie WEISS was in the giants FO crosshairs and if the giants were to lose coughlin was gone

what happened----
WE LOST---GIANTS WON--they finished 2-6 in its last eight but they beat GIBBS REDSKINS to make the playoffs...like clockwork

[mastdark81]

the offense cannot keep kicking field goals. Sire the defense got torched but honestly their hands are tied. They can't gamble cus we are only making three points a posession.

They needed to go for the first down on BOTH 4th and 1's. Like you said, we will not win important games on field goals. This is getting real old.

Well first off we have to stop giving up touchdowns!! Then we have to make big plays in crucial times just like these other teams are doing on us.

That 4 and 1 wasn't the last play of the game. We had great opportunity to stop Dallas as well as score touchdowns later in the game and we didn't get it done. But its pretty much simple: Who makes the biggest plays when needed and they beat us at that just like Philly.

[mastdark81]

clock managment was much better today. we actually had timeouts to work with when it mattered. but i still don't like either call to go for a feild goal on 4 and 1. its not like suisham is automatic. especially from 50 yds. and feild goals don't win the game for you when playing an offensive team.

True you definitely have to score more touchdowns cause thats what the winning teams do, however going for it and making it..is not guaranteed that you will go 35+ yards down the field and score a touchdown. I mean I can see if it was 4th and goal from the one yard line...but there was plenty of yards to go till you hit that endzone. We might have got it and then messed around and went for a field goal anyway.

Suisham's hit 50 yarders before, besides the offense was on point today, moving the ball down the field for the most part. You would like to think you could get another opportunity...guess what? We did! We didn't execute.

[mastdark81]

changing coachs makes things worse? funny because that didn't look like Bill parcells on the sidelines for dallas did it?.......Wade phillips has 9 wins this year..9 of 10.........OUR BIG TIME HALL OF FAME GURU---is 10 of last 27 ...let me repeat that TWENTY SEVEN GAMES!....and people are worried about change.......lolol.......

oh but thats right as Parcells was building a first rate team for years to come....Our FO led by Gibbs were using there ever famous ROBBING PETER TO PAUL front office methods to build a team.....thats why Dallas is 19-8 in its last 27 and were 10-17.........

But we've won a playoff game with most of the folks on our current roster Dallas hasn't.

[CanesSkins26]

clock managment was much better today. we actually had timeouts to work with when it mattered. but i still don't like either call to go for a feild goal on 4 and 1. its not like suisham is automatic. especially from 50 yds. and feild goals don't win the game for you when playing an offensive team.

True you definitely have to score more touchdowns cause thats what the winning teams do, however going for it and making it..is not guaranteed that you will go 35+ yards down the field and score a touchdown. I mean I can see if it was 4th and goal from the one yard line...but there was plenty of yards to go till you hit that endzone. We might have got it and then messed around and went for a field goal anyway.

Suisham's hit 50 yarders before, besides the offense was on point today, moving the ball down the field for the most part. You would like to think you could get another opportunity...guess what? We did! We didn't execute.

You obviously can't go for it every time on 4th down when you're in opposing territory, but I thought that we should've definitely gone for it on the first 4th down. At that point we were up 7-0 and if we had gone for it and converted we would've had a chance for 14-0, which would have been huge. Additionally, I like our chances of gaining a yard by giving it to CP or allowing JC to run a qb sneak much more than having Suisham attempt a 50 yarder.

[mastdark81]

clock managment was much better today. we actually had timeouts to work with when it mattered. but i still don't like either call to go for a feild goal on 4 and 1. its not like suisham is automatic. especially from 50 yds. and feild goals don't win the game for you when playing an offensive team.

True you definitely have to score more touchdowns cause thats what the winning teams do, however going for it and making it..is not guaranteed that you will go 35+ yards down the field and score a touchdown. I mean I can see if it was 4th and goal from the one yard line...but there was plenty of yards to go till you hit that endzone. We might have got it and then messed around and went for a field goal anyway.

Suisham's hit 50 yarders before, besides the offense was on point today, moving the ball down the field for the most part. You would like to think you could get another opportunity...guess what? We did! We didn't execute.

You obviously can't go for it every time on 4th down when you're in opposing territory, but I thought that we should've definitely gone for it on the first 4th down. At that point we were up 7-0 and if we had gone for it and converted we would've had a chance for 14-0, which would have been huge. Additionally, I like our chances of gaining a yard by giving it to CP or allowing JC to run a qb sneak much more than having Suisham attempt a 50 yarder.

Maybe but like i said that wasn't our last opportunity. We have to make plays when it counts. There were many plays that we could have had after that one...Randel El was wide open in the touchdown on one play, Moss was open one play in the endzone. You gotta make those plays. Romo made his...I mean they have like 3 terribly bad snaps but get every every single one like its a designed play, however Jason fumbles and they recover.

Rocky interception call back = DAllas touchdown
Fletcher interception drop = Dallas touchdown
Campbell fumbles = Dallas recover... Touchdown
T. Newman = interception...
3 bad snaps = Dallas maintain ball.

We have to learn how to win. We definitely lost every which way.

[skinsfan#33]

The Offense played pretty well today. I know JC missed like three pass that could have been TDs, but overall a good day.

Nice that for a week no sane person can complain about Gibbs' "conservative play calling".

I guess I was wrong. ST does mean that much to the D. Two weeks in a row the D gives up 3 TDs in the last 20 minutes of a game (well it was 4 in the Philly game!). Reguarless, the D has to make plays when they have them. The D dropped three INTs and let TO go untouched for a TD late in the 3rd when they had them at something like 3rd and 19. How many times did they just let TO run uncovered. What is up with Fletcher running down the seam not covering anyone, that seamed like his assignment all night. (He did have a sweet INT on the pass to TO that Romo through after the ball sailed 30 yards over his head - but then Fletcher drops an easy one later)

The McIntosh INT was not an INT - the refs got it right. Don't get me wrong, he didn't trap the ball and the ground didn't help him at all, but the ball was moving and clearly hit the ground. By rule, that is an incomplete pass. It sucks because I think that was the biggest play of the game.