Post-Game discussion Thread. Philly vs Joe Gibbs.

totalpackage · Post by **totalpackage** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:16 pm

Fair or not, the blame falls on Gibbs. thats the way it is in the NFL. We have way too much talent to be under performing week in and week out. His decisions have failed alot more often than they have worked out.

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:18 pm

Oh yeah.....great use of time outs and challanges.....good thing it didn't hurt us.

Ikester

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:23 pm

33 points by the Eagles. Giveaways by the Redskins. If Gibbs/Saunders call carefully, then "whack", they're garbage for not being agressive.

If Campbell gets sacked and fumbles, then, "whack", Gibbs/Saunders hould have called a run.

Campbell throws three TD's, but this morning people here were starting the call to dump him. Now Campbell has to throw five TD's a game or feel the wrath of THN's experts.

Nonsense.

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:28 pm

welch wrote:33 points by the Eagles. Giveaways by the Redskins. If Gibbs/Saunders call carefully, then "whack", they're garbage for not being agressive.

If Campbell gets sacked and fumbles, then, "whack", Gibbs/Saunders hould have called a run.

Campbell throws three TD's, but this morning people here were starting the call to dump him. Now Campbell has to throw five TD's a game or feel the wrath of THN's experts.

Nonsense.

If Gibbs calls a passing play and it works then whack he is the man.

Its simple....as a coach....you need to coach for 60 minutes not to get whacked. Period.

Ikester

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:28 pm

You all so so predictable:

Did Gibbs jump off sides with the ball on the two and the Beagles scramling to get into position and cost the team 4 points? No that was Cool

ey.

Did Gibbs give up like a million yards to the only player on the Beagles that is worth being afraid of? No!

Did Gibbs drop two INTs that resulted in points? NO that was Godfrey.

Did Gibbs get turned around and misplay a easy INT that ended up in a TD. No again.

Did Gibbs juggle the ball when the team was down by a point and had 3 minutes to get a FG? No!

Did Gibbs only force the Beagle to punt only twice? NO!

Did Gibbs give up 20.8 yards on 3rd and 21? NO!

Did Gibbs keep getting penalty after penalty on D to keep drives alive for the Beagle? No!

On another subject, could someone please tell Lloyd to keep running and stop jumping too early. That would have been an easy catch if he had taken one more step, just like the INT that should have been a TD in the Miami game.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:28 pm

welch wrote:33 points by the Eagles. Giveaways by the Redskins. If Gibbs/Saunders call carefully, then "whack", they're garbage for not being agressive.

If Campbell gets sacked and fumbles, then, "whack", Gibbs/Saunders hould have called a run.

Campbell throws three TD's, but this morning people here were starting the call to dump him. Now Campbell has to throw five TD's a game or feel the wrath of THN's experts.

Nonsense.

You're just lumping everyone in together, so of course it seems you're making some sense, but you're not. For example, find one post where I've ever called for Campbell to be benched. I've been pulling for him to play since training camp last year, and I've never wavered from that. As for Gibbs, he's still not even at .500 yet. And I have yet to read anyone calling him too aggressive. Face it - he's a shadow of the coach he was.

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:29 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:You all so so predictable:

Did Gibbs jump off sides with the ball on the two and the Beagles scramling to get into position and cost the team 4 points? No that was ey.

Did Gibbs give up like a million yards to the only player on the Beagles that is worth being afraid of? No!

Did Gibbs drop two INTs that resulted in points? NO that was Godfrey.

Did Gibbs get turned around and misplay a easy INT that ended up in a TD. No again.

Did Gibbs juggle the ball when the team was down by a point and had 3 minutes to get a FG? No!

Did Gibbs only force the Beagle to punt only twice? NO!

Did Gibbs give up 20.8 yards on 3rd and 21? NO!

Did Gibbs keep getting penalty after penalty on D to keep drives alive for the Beagle? No!

On another subject, could someone please tell Lloyd to keep running and stop jumping too early. That would have been an easy catch if he had taken one more step, just like the INT that should have been a TD in the Miami game.

Is Gibbs the head coach responsible for all of the above....yes.

Ikester

ike075 · Post by **ike075** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:31 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:You all so so predictable:

Did Gibbs jump off sides with the ball on the two and the Beagles scramling to get into position and cost the team 4 points? No that was ey.

Did Gibbs give up like a million yards to the only player on the Beagles that is worth being afraid of? No!

Did Gibbs drop two INTs that resulted in points? NO that was Godfrey.

Did Gibbs get turned around and misplay a easy INT that ended up in a TD. No again.

Did Gibbs juggle the ball when the team was down by a point and had 3 minutes to get a FG? No!

Did Gibbs only force the Beagle to punt only twice? NO!

Did Gibbs give up 20.8 yards on 3rd and 21? NO!

Did Gibbs keep getting penalty after penalty on D to keep drives alive for the Beagle? No!

On another subject, could someone please tell Lloyd to keep running and stop jumping too early. That would have been an easy catch if he had taken one more step, just like the INT that should have been a TD in the Miami game.

Funny....I recall everyone blaming Spurrier for all of the above that the team is not focused.

Ikester

please_remain_calm · Post by **please_remain_calm** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:41 pm

Thats twice now we have had a divisional rival down and beaten at home and twice WE have let them back into the game when they should have been planning for the next week.

Is that the players fault or the coaches fault? You decide.

Either way, IMO, those two games will define this losing season that could have been so much more.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:42 pm

welch wrote:33 points by the Eagles. Giveaways by the Redskins. If Gibbs/Saunders call carefully, then "whack", they're garbage for not being agressive.

If Campbell gets sacked and fumbles, then, "whack", Gibbs/Saunders hould have called a run.

Campbell throws three TD's, but this morning people here were starting the call to dump him. Now Campbell has to throw five TD's a game or feel the wrath of THN's experts.

Nonsense.

The problem is that Gibbs just seems to get conservative at the wrong times. Campbell played one hell of a game today. Through 3 quarters we had very good playcalling. We ran no huddle, threw downfield, and effectively mixed in the run. Then it got to the 4th quarter and Gibbs seemed to get tight. We ran a stupid play with Sellers on 3rd and short when he tried to jump the pile, instead of going with Portis, who was picking up lots of yards. Then on 4th down, instead of going for the jugular, we kicked a field goal that didn't really do that much in terms of the score. Then after the Betts fumble and the subsequent McNabb fumble, we had 8 plays inside the 10 yard line, and 7 of those were runs. There is no reason for that type of conservativism. Even worse, we didn't have wide receivers in on those plays so there was no guessing as far as the Ealges were concerned. Even Jansen on post game live that we should spread the offensive out and run that way instead of running out of jumbo in the red zone. So it's not just posters on here questioning Gibbs, the players appear to be as well. Even on 3rd and 7 we ran the ball. That is not the killer attitude that an NFL head coach needs. Campbell on the side has 7 td's and a 115 qb rating in the red zone. But in the 4th quarter Gibbs for some reason decided to take the ball out of his hands. It's conservative play calling that lost the Giants game and it lost us this game as well.

Not only was the play calling poor at times, but the game/time management was awful as well. Why did we go for 2 so early in the game? Totally unnecessary.

Why didn't we try a hail mary at the end of the first half? We completed one against Miami and almost got a td.

Then we managed to burn all 3 timeouts by the 8 minute mark in the 4th quarter. Gibbs was asked about this in post game, especially about the one right before the field goal, and he didn't really seem to have an asnwer. He talked about how they were undecided and there was confusion. It's the same old crap as always.

You talked about turnovers, but they didn't really affect the game very much today. Yes Betts fumbled (and he deserves to be on the bench imo), but we got the ball right back. The other fumble we had was on 4th and 15 and the Eagles were going to get the ball there anyway when we didn't convert.

Even Jason Campbell on post game talked about how this team needs the killer instinct and has to learn to put people away early, and win by 20 sometimes instead of always playing close games. On the other hand, we have Gibbs talking about how he expects every game to go down to the wire. The attitude of the team starts with the head coach and Gibbs, at this point, lacks the killer instinct. Looking on the decisions that he makes late in the games, and the fact that we have more losses than any other NFL team in the last 4 years after leading at half time, I'm not sure how you could rationally argue otherwise. For a second imagine what this game would have looked like if Belichik was our head coach. We would've scored 40 points.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:45 pm

At least it makes for a chuckle: when the Redskins run the ball and lose, then Gibbs (Gibbs????) has "choked" and given away the game. When Campbell is sacked and fumbles, then Gibbs (Gibbs????) has choked by taking risks.

Nobody is saying you can't run the ball. But why in the world keep running out of heavy jumbo when it isn't working. Jansen and Ray Brown, two very respected players, even questioned this on post game. Running jumbo just bunches everyone together. CP was tripping over his own players in the backfield. Try spreading out the offense and running that way. At least make the Eagles think that you might pass the ball. CP's best runs today were out of 2 or 3 receiver sets, not out of jumbo or one receiver packages.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:46 pm

I hear you all loud and clear.... My only concern is that we don't have the KILLER INSTINCT needed to be above the rest in this league.

conservative play calling is not getting it done.....yes we are predictable.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:50 pm

How about a new chant.....?

Russ Grimm
Russ Grimm
Russ Grimm

Let's get the Grimmster...............

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:50 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:You all so so predictable:

Did Gibbs jump off sides with the ball on the two and the Beagles scramling to get into position and cost the team 4 points? No that was ey.

Did Gibbs give up like a million yards to the only player on the Beagles that is worth being afraid of? No!

Did Gibbs drop two INTs that resulted in points? NO that was Godfrey.

Did Gibbs get turned around and misplay a easy INT that ended up in a TD. No again.

Did Gibbs juggle the ball when the team was down by a point and had 3 minutes to get a FG? No!

Did Gibbs only force the Beagle to punt only twice? NO!

Did Gibbs give up 20.8 yards on 3rd and 21? NO!

Did Gibbs keep getting penalty after penalty on D to keep drives alive for the Beagle? No!

On another subject, could someone please tell Lloyd to keep running and stop jumping too early. That would have been an easy catch if he had taken one more step, just like the INT that should have been a TD in the Miami game.

All the things that you mentioned are the responsibility of the head coach. Norv and Spurrier were always criticized for having undisciplined teams. Why should Gibbs get a pass?

On a side note....you mentioned McCardell's juggled catch. Go back and watch it. He came down with the ball. But we couldn't challenge it becuase Gibbs had already burned all of our timeouts.

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:51 pm

I'm done talking sense about this "game" in this forum. Nothing else needs to be said without swearing. Bring your Gibbs defenses to Smack.

please_remain_calm · Post by **please_remain_calm** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:51 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:You all so so predictable:

Did Gibbs jump off sides with the ball on the two and the Beagles scramling to get into position and cost the team 4 points? No that was ey.

Did Gibbs give up like a million yards to the only player on the Beagles that is worth being afraid of? No!

Did Gibbs drop two INTs that resulted in points? NO that was Godfrey.

Did Gibbs get turned around and misplay a easy INT that ended up in a TD. No again.

Did Gibbs juggle the ball when the team was down by a point and had 3 minutes to get a FG? No!

Did Gibbs only force the Beagle to punt only twice? NO!

Did Gibbs give up 20.8 yards on 3rd and 21? NO!

Did Gibbs keep getting penalty after penalty on D to keep drives alive for the Beagle? No!

On another subject, could someone please tell Lloyd to keep running and stop jumping too early. That would have been an easy catch if he had taken one more step, just like the INT that should have been a TD in the Miami game.

All the things that you mentioned are the responsibility of the head coach. Norv and Spurrier were always criticized for having undisciplined teams. Why should Gibbs get a pass?

On a side note....you mentioned McCardell's juggled catch. Go back and watch it. He came down with the ball. But we couldn't challenge it becuase Gibbs had already burned all of our timeouts.

Agreed, he clutched the ball and planted both feet before he went out of bounds.

The Eagles sideline made the call on that one......

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:54 pm

One more thing....Ladell Betts sucks!. He straight up sucks. He now has more career fumbles than td's. That is a pathetic statistic. He can't even give CP a breather without coughing up the ball. Interchangeable???

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:57 pm

This game was lost when Sean Taylor went into the tunnel.

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:58 pm

Philadelphia Eagles at 04:15

6-S.Suisham kicks 56 yards from WAS 30 to PHI 14. 30-J.Reed to PHI 35 for 21 yards (20-P.Prioleau).

1-10-PHI 35 (4:09) 36-B.Westbrook left end to PHI 37 for 2 yards (57-R.Godfrey).

2-8-PHI 37 (3:36) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short right to 84-H.Baskett pushed ob at PHI 42 for 5 yards (24-S.Springs). PENALTY on WAS, Illegal Substitution, 6 yards, enforced at PHI 37 - No Play.

2-2-PHI 43 (3:29) 5-D.McNabb pass short middle to 36-B.Westbrook for 57 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

(Pass formation) TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. 5-D.McNabb pass to 89-M.Schobel is incomplete. ATTEMPT FAILS.
PHI 26 WAS 25 Plays: 2 Possession: 0:59

Washington Redskins at 03:16

2-D.Akers kicks 65 yards from PHI 30 to WAS 5. 31-R.Cartwright to WAS 25 for 20 yards (57-C.Gocong, 81-J.Avant). WAS-83-J.Thrash was injured during the play.

1-10-WAS 25 (3:10) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 26-C.Portis to WAS 22 for -3 yards (75-J.Thomas).

2-13-WAS 22 (2:44) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep right to 80-K.McCardell.

3-13-WAS 22 (2:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short middle to 82-A.Randle El.

4-13-WAS 22 (2:33) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell sacked at WAS 12 for -10 yards (98-M.Patterson). FUMBLES (98-M.Patterson), RECOVERED by PHI-58-T.Cole at WAS 10. 58-T.Cole to WAS 10 for no gain (71-T.Wade).

Looks like the defense couldn't hold the lead, gave up 4 TD passes to McNabb. I agree, Gibbs did it when he allowed Richie Petibon to get too old to coach the defense. Most surely, a Gibbs mistake. Full play-by-play at:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbypla ... week=REG10

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:01 pm

1-7-PHI 7 (6:39) 26-C.Portis left end to PHI 6 for 1 yard (98-M.Patterson).
2-6-PHI 6 (5:55) 26-C.Portis right tackle to PHI 5 for 1 yard (58-T.Cole; 97-B.Bunkley).
3-5-PHI 5 (5:12) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 87-T.Yoder to PHI 1 for 4 yards (77-L.Ramsey, 30-J.Reed). PENALTY on PHI, Defensive Holding, 2 yards, enforced at PHI 5 - No Play.
1-3-PHI 3 (4:43) 26-C.Portis left tackle to PHI 1 for 2 yards (51-T.Spikes, 90-D.Howard).
Timeout #1 by PHI at 04:31.
2-1-PHI 1 (4:31) 26-C.Portis right guard to PHI 2 for -1 yards (90-D.Howard, 93-J.Kearse).
Timeout #2 by PHI at 04:27.
3-2-PHI 2 (4:27) (Shotgun) PENALTY on WAS-47-C.ey, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 2 - No Play.
3-7-PHI 7 (4:27) 26-C.Portis right tackle to PHI 3 for 4 yards (22-J.Hanson, 51-T.Spikes).
Timeout #3 by PHI at 04:20.
4-3-PHI 3 (4:20) 6-S.Suisham 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-4-D.Frost

How not to win a football game. Courtesy of Joe Gibbs.

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:19 pm

welch wrote:
Philadelphia Eagles at 04:15

6-S.Suisham kicks 56 yards from WAS 30 to PHI 14. 30-J.Reed to PHI 35 for 21 yards (20-P.Prioleau).

1-10-PHI 35 (4:09) 36-B.Westbrook left end to PHI 37 for 2 yards (57-R.Godfrey).

2-8-PHI 37 (3:36) (Shotgun) 5-D.McNabb pass short right to 84-H.Baskett pushed ob at PHI 42 for 5 yards (24-S.Springs). PENALTY on WAS, Illegal Substitution, 6 yards, enforced at PHI 37 - No Play.

2-2-PHI 43 (3:29) 5-D.McNabb pass short middle to 36-B.Westbrook for 57 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

(Pass formation) TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. 5-D.McNabb pass to 89-M.Schobel is incomplete. ATTEMPT FAILS.
PHI 26 WAS 25 Plays: 2 Possession: 0:59

Washington Redskins at 03:16

2-D.Akers kicks 65 yards from PHI 30 to WAS 5. 31-R.Cartwright to WAS 25 for 20 yards (57-C.Gocong, 81-J.Avant). WAS-83-J.Thrash was injured during the play.

1-10-WAS 25 (3:10) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 26-C.Portis to WAS 22 for -3 yards (75-J.Thomas).

2-13-WAS 22 (2:44) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep right to 80-K.McCardell.

3-13-WAS 22 (2:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short middle to 82-A.Randle El.

4-13-WAS 22 (2:33) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell sacked at WAS 12 for -10 yards (98-M.Patterson). FUMBLES (98-M.Patterson), RECOVERED by PHI-58-T.Cole at WAS 10. 58-T.Cole to WAS 10 for no gain (71-T.Wade).

Looks like the defense couldn't hold the lead, gave up 4 TD passes to McNabb. I agree, Gibbs did it when he allowed Richie Petibon to get too old to coach the defense. Most surely, a Gibbs mistake. Full play-by-play at:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbypla ... week=REG10

Here's a hint for Gibbs and the rest of his defenders - the NFL favors OFFENSE!! Defense does not WIN games - it only keeps you in them, sometimes. Who won the Super Bowl last year, the team with the higher ranked D, or the team with the higher ranked O? How is Baltimore looking this year? How about Chicago? Don't blame the D for trying to hold back the flood, and failing. Gibbs refused to go for the kill, plain and simple.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:25 pm

The bottom line is we are no better now (as a team) than we were year one with JG. We may even be right up there with the Norv Turner years. Mistakes with players, coaches, play calling, execution, conditioning - you name it and we have it as a problem.

I have been a fan dating back to Lombardi, and this is painful to watch.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:31 pm

NC43Hog wrote:The bottom line is we are no better now (as a team) than we were year one with JG. We may even be right up there with the Norv Turner years. Mistakes with players, coaches, play calling, execution, conditioning - you name it and we have it as a problem.

I have been a fan dating back to Lombardi, and this is painful to watch.

Sad but true. The only thing that we have going for us is that we now have some young talent at key positions....taylor, landry, rocky, campbell, etc. Other than that, this team is an example of how not to run an NFL franchise. How bad is it when your conditioning staff doesn't even know how to properly prevent hamstring injuries and needs an outside consultant to help them?

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:34 pm

NC43Hog wrote:The bottom line is we are no better now (as a team) than we were year one with JG. We may even be right up there with the Norv Turner years. Mistakes with players, coaches, play calling, execution, conditioning - you name it and we have it as a problem.

I have been a fan dating back to Lombardi, and this is painful to watch.

Norv Turner's winning percentage as Redskins Head Coach - .454
Joe Gibbs since the comeback - .456
That's the best Gibbs can do?

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:40 pm

welch wrote:How many fumbles did the edskins give to the Eagles?

Did Joe Gibbs fumble any of them?

How many times have experts on this board screamed that Gibbs worries too much about turnovers?

On the last couple of Eagles TD, were they from drives, or were they short passes to Westbrook who then ran 50 yards for a TD?

Did Campbell throw three TD passes today?

At least it makes for a chuckle: when the Redskins run the ball and lose, then Gibbs (Gibbs????) has "choked" and given away the game. When Campbell is sacked and fumbles, then Gibbs (Gibbs????) has choked by taking risks.

At least Redskin fans are predictable.

I've gone through it, and anyone is allowed to read the NFL.com game stats and drive summary.

I agree. This negativity is hard for me to take. It takes much more character to to stand by your team after a loss like this than it does to bash them.