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Redskins Like Safety Landry, but Drafting Isn't That Easy
Some Think Team Has More Need for Defensive Lineman

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 24, 2007; Page E03

Safety LaRon Landry may be considered the best defensive player available in the NFL draft by many in the Washington Redskins' organization, but that doesn't mean that taking him with the sixth overall pick Saturday is an automatic decision.

Landry's talent and potential are beyond debate, but executives from several other teams say they wonder how well he might mesh with starting safety Sean Taylor and whether addressing needs on the defensive line, which faltered against the run and failed to muster much of a pass rush last season, isn't more urgent. Still, sources said, there is strong internal support at Redskins Park for Landry, a Louisiana State player who had a particularly strong workout for Redskins officials last Monday in Baton Rouge.

LSU safety LaRon Landry is considered by many to be the best defensive player available to the Redskins in the Saturday's NFL draft. "He is a great all-around athlete," one NFL scouring director said. (Lsu Via Associated Press)

"Landry can do a lot of things, and he may be the best kid on the board [on defense], but he's not going to improve their defensive line," said a high-ranking official from an NFC team, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of draft evaluations. "Taking another safety that high is a luxury I am not sure they can afford."

Landry and defensive tackle Amobi Okoye (Louisville) are the most likely choices should the Redskins retain the sixth pick -- the team could still trade up or down. Executives and scouting directors from numerous other NFL teams said privately that they, too, agreed with that assessment of Landry but wondered if he is the best fit for the Redskins.

"There's no doubt Landry is a great prospect," said one NFL scouting director. "We really like him. I can see why you would want to take him that high [safeties traditionally have not been top-10 picks]. He is a great all-around athlete. He can play deep, he can play at the line, he can play halves [of the field], he can play in different systems.

"But with your safeties you want one guy to be a stabilizer -- a steady, heady guy who can make the calls and get everyone lined up and keep everyone together. From what we've seen and what we know, that's not Landry. He's not that cerebral, he can be a little immature. I know for us, say, we wouldn't want to play two Ed Reed types or [Troy] Polamalu types together. You can't have two gamblers back there, two safeties who will get away from the scheme and do their own thing sometimes, and from what we know about Taylor, I would be a little worried those two [Landry and Taylor] playing together. I'm just not sure how well that would work."

Historically, safeties have been selected later in the draft, with the position viewed as not as essential as those with players stationed closer to the line of scrimmage. But with the emergence of more hybrid players such as Taylor -- big enough to play linebacker and fast enough to play in the secondary -- safeties have become more enticing. When the Redskins took Taylor fifth overall in 2004, it was the highest any safety had been selected since 1991, and in 2005 Washington invested the ninth overall pick in another defensive back, corner Carlos Rogers.

But sources said the Redskins view Landry as an elite talent -- a natural strong safety who could play free safety in the NFL. They believe that within their scheme Landry could thrive in coverage and as a blitzing presence and that Landry's versatility would make him a good fit with Taylor. He is much more gifted athletically than any safety currently on the roster -- save for Taylor -- and his presence could help reverse what was a foundering secondary in 2006, some coaches and scouts believe. Landry must learn to adjust better to the ball while in flight, scouts said.

He has been very impressed by the seriousness of Washington's interest in him, according to sources close to the player, but is also drawing strong interest from Minnesota and Atlanta, which hold the seventh and eighth picks, respectively.

One scout who has watched Landry closely believes he will have to become more of a student of the game to work well with Taylor, and that his older brother, Dawan, a safety with Baltimore, could be a positive influence with his more restrained style and more erudite approach. Taylor, whose pairing with Adam Archuleta last season was disastrous, has continued to struggle at times in coverage and repeatedly sacrifices proper positioning in an attempt to land a punishing hit. He has yet to develop into the consistent game-changing force the Redskins need (despite some flashes), and coupling him with a rookie might not help him develop.

If the team opts to pick the best defensive player available, Landry would be rated slightly ahead of Okoye by many in the organization. In that case the Redskins, among the most aggressive teams in pursuing trades and free agents, likely would turn to those methods to bolster the defensive line before the start of training camp.


Aside from the stupid rumors running ramped right now, I can't believe the lack of common sense by these writes.

"Landry can do a lot of things, and he may be the best kid on the board [on defense], but he's not going to improve their defensive line," said a high-ranking official from an NFC team, who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of draft evaluations. "Taking another safety that high is a luxury I am not sure they can afford."


Uh, no kidding! Of course another "high-ranking official" from another team would say that. Ever consider that maybe they want to draft Landry and would hope that by discouraging the Skins will allow them to draft Landry? :roll: Thaks Jason. :roll:

Landry and defensive tackle Amobi Okoye (Louisville) are the most likely choices should the Redskins retain the sixth pick -- the team could still trade up or down. Executives and scouting directors from numerous other NFL teams said privately that they, too, agreed with that assessment of Landry but wondered if he is the best fit for the Redskins


:roll: Oh, ok, agree with the assessment but hope the Skins don't take him. Ok, I get it. :roll:

From another article:

Granted, the tight end has become a major defensive headache in the new millennium, and covering him is often the job of the strong safety, Landry's presumed spot.


And let's not forget about the screen pass, a way to avoid a stud pass rusher. While Adams is closing fast on the QB, McNabb will simply dump the ball off to Westbrook on a screen play, a play that Philly runs ALL THE TIME AND HAS MASTERED, and races 25 yards down the field. Jason simply fails to recognize the evolution of the offense in the game today and the desire to have two great safeties to combat those types of plays.

One scout who has watched Landry closely believes he will have to become more of a student of the game to work well with Taylor, and that his older brother, Dawan, a safety with Baltimore, could be a positive influence with his more restrained style and more erudite approach.


All reports on Landry are to the contrary. His coaches rave about him being a leader on the defense and how he studies the game.

Strengths:
Playmaker with a nose for the ball...Terrific athlete with superb timed speed...Has excellent size...He has great instincts, range and ball skills...Times and anticipates the action...Plays both the pass and the run with equal efficiency...He's extremely smart and a leader in the secondary...Has a lot of experience after starting as a freshman...A big hitter...Was productive throughout his career...Is versatile and has played both safety spots and even cornerback...Real tough and competitive.


If the team opts to pick the best defensive player available, Landry would be rated slightly ahead of Okoye by many in the organization. In that case the Redskins, among the most aggressive teams in pursuing trades and free agents, likely would turn to those methods to bolster the defensive line before the start of training camp.


Thanks again, Jason. :roll: Waits to the very end to point out the glaring obvious. Why do some think that this weekend is the last chance to upgrade the d-line? HELLO? They can still do something via a player trade or free agency.

As I've said many times, I agree the d-line needs help and I like Okoye. But is a 19 year old kid with only 1 year of starting experience really ready to get in the trenches of the NFL? And that's no slight on Okoye, but I'm just concerned that his age and lack of experience will limit him in his first couple of years. I can see many of the seasoned offensive gaurds and tackles licking their chops at the sight of a 19 year old kid in front of them that has very little experience.

Landry: 4 year starter
Okoye: 1 year starter

Landry: Played in the SEC, where there are more pro style offenses and passing attacks.
Okoye: Played in the Big East. Enough said.

I think you get my point without me going any further here. At #6, my money is on Landry, as I see him being the safer bet. And let's not forget the amount of money we're talking here. I really hope the Skins don't listen to crap like this and make a "political" move just to appease the writers or fans. If they are able to trade down, then fine, I like the move. But if they are forced to stay at #6, well.............
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i just can't fathom why we would want to draft another safety so high when our d-line is pitiful.

plus, the coaches were very high on prioleau after 2005, citing him as one of the main reasons we went on the run into the playoffs.
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Strengths and weaknesses according to Scouts Inc, which again, directly contradict JLC's article.

Laron Landry

Strengths: Possesses good height, decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Shows good fluidity and top-end speed. He consistently gets a quick break on the ball and diagnoses the run very quickly. He shows good toughness and strength in run support, especially for his size. He fills hard and shows adequate power at the point of attack. Sideline-to-sideline playmaker versus the run. He displays better-than-average range in zone coverage and he also can match up one-on-one versus slot receivers in the NFL. He is an instinctive playmaker with adequate-to-good ball skills. He has a good mental capacity and coaches rave about his ability to pick things up quickly. He is a good leader in the secondary and does a great job of getting everyone in position. He has tremendous experience as a four-year starter at the highest collegiate level. He also has been extremely versatile in LSU's secondary throughout his career.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk. Until he gets bigger he will not be able to match up as easily in-the-box at the NFL level as he has in college. He will misjudge the ball in the air on occasion and he still can improve his recognition skills when playing in deep-middle zone coverage.



Yesterday, he wrote a blog saying that he understood that Landry was the "sexy" pick, but that he would go with Okoye.

Taking the 4 year starting captain of the #1 defense in the country, who is considered among scouts as one of the top 2 or 3 safest picks in the draft (along with CJ and Joe Thomas) is a far less "sexy" pick than taking the 19 year old "phenom" who is raw but has huge potential IMO.
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die cowboys die wrote:i just can't fathom why we would want to draft another safety so high when our d-line is pitiful.

plus, the coaches were very high on prioleau after 2005, citing him as one of the main reasons we went on the run into the playoffs.


The one good thing if we're considering Johnson/WR or Landry/safety is if the coaches and front office feel they really are superior players and are thinking more then one year. That we can address the DL some still this year and more next year is better then taking a player not worth #6. And we have to stop thinking one year, which ironically seldom works anyway.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:
die cowboys die wrote:i just can't fathom why we would want to draft another safety so high when our d-line is pitiful.

plus, the coaches were very high on prioleau after 2005, citing him as one of the main reasons we went on the run into the playoffs.


The one good thing if we're considering Johnson/WR or Landry/safety is if the coaches and front office feel they really are superior players and are thinking more then one year. That we can address the DL some still this year and more next year is better then taking a player not worth #6. And we have to stop thinking one year, which ironically seldom works anyway.


Well, to be fair, Okoye is still someone who you think longterm value with. I'm not sure he'll step in from day 1 his rookie year and dominate, so that's a long-term pick as well.

However, drafting CJ means they'll have to have given up some draft picks next year to get into position to pick CJ. Which isn't a long-term view by any stretch.
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PulpExposure wrote:Well, to be fair, Okoye is still someone who you think longterm value with. I'm not sure he'll step in from day 1 his rookie year and dominate, so that's a long-term pick as well.

However, drafting CJ means they'll have to have given up some draft picks next year to get into position to pick CJ. Which isn't a long-term view by any stretch.


Don't disagree with what you say, I was more addressing their intent, not just one year, then evaluating players. Remember on Okoye though it's competitive, not just is he long term value but does his long term value compare.

I was just using CJ as an example of the discussion. If he falls to us at #6 then I can totally see taking him even though WR isn't our pressing need thinking long term. But I'm with you I don't want to give up MORE to get him.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:Don't disagree with what you say, I was more addressing their intent, not just one year, then evaluating players. Remember on Okoye though it's competitive, not just is he long term value but does his long term value compare.


He's got the most upside of anyone in this draft. That's long term value in spades :wink:

I was just using CJ as an example of the discussion. If he falls to us at #6 then I can totally see taking him even though WR isn't our pressing need thinking long term. But I'm with you I don't want to give up MORE to get him.


Oh hell yeah, if he drops to 6 (which he won't), I'm all for taking him. Even though that means one extremely highly paid receiver won't be playing at all this year (hi Brandon Lloyd, where's your helmet now?).

But no shot he falls to 6.
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Excellent post! This presents a good case for Landry IMHO.

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die cowboys die wrote:i just can't fathom why we would want to draft another safety so high when our d-line is pitiful.

plus, the coaches were very high on prioleau after 2005, citing him as one of the main reasons we went on the run into the playoffs.


Prioleau is coming off a major injury. Nobody really knows how he will rebound or if he will suffer the same injury again.

Shawn Springs hasn't played a full season in six years.

If PP and Springs go down, we will be in the same boat as last year. Yes, we have Smoot and Macklin for security, but there will still be a major hole in the middle of the secondary. And I'm not sure a DT who is still a teenager will present the solution in that case.

The Texans passed on Reggie Bush because his value, to them, was diminished by the fact that they already had Davis. But as soon as Davis was lost for the year, the subjective value of Bush just increased ten fold.

Just ask the SB winners how they faired without Bob Sanders. They were horrible when he was out, and they have Dwight Freeny. The defense rebounded significantly once Sanders returned.
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funbuncher wrote:Strengths and weaknesses according to Scouts Inc, which again, directly contradict JLC's article.

Laron Landry

Strengths: Possesses good height, decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Shows good fluidity and top-end speed. He consistently gets a quick break on the ball and diagnoses the run very quickly. He shows good toughness and strength in run support, especially for his size. He fills hard and shows adequate power at the point of attack. Sideline-to-sideline playmaker versus the run. He displays better-than-average range in zone coverage and he also can match up one-on-one versus slot receivers in the NFL. He is an instinctive playmaker with adequate-to-good ball skills. He has a good mental capacity and coaches rave about his ability to pick things up quickly. He is a good leader in the secondary and does a great job of getting everyone in position. He has tremendous experience as a four-year starter at the highest collegiate level. He also has been extremely versatile in LSU's secondary throughout his career.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal bulk. Until he gets bigger he will not be able to match up as easily in-the-box at the NFL level as he has in college. He will misjudge the ball in the air on occasion and he still can improve his recognition skills when playing in deep-middle zone coverage.



Yesterday, he wrote a blog saying that he understood that Landry was the "sexy" pick, but that he would go with Okoye.

Taking the 4 year starting captain of the #1 defense in the country, who is considered among scouts as one of the top 2 or 3 safest picks in the draft (along with CJ and Joe Thomas) is a far less "sexy" pick than taking the 19 year old "phenom" who is raw but has huge potential IMO.


Exactly. But I guess a sports and blog writer for the Post knows so much more and has such greater insight and wisdom. :roll:
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The more I see of him, I'd be happy with him. I am not completely sold on Gaines Adams...he seems to be more More Mario Williams and Less Julius Peppers.
I just don't think you draft a guy that high unless he is clearly the best player for your team.

What if he ends up being a 3 sack at best bust ala Courtney Brown....Landry seems like a safer bet ( no pun intended)

I also like Okoye, but he's only 19, and I see it taking him a few years to catch up to the experience and craftiness of veteran NFL guards and centers.

He's a stud and will probably be in the mode of a Tommie Harris, but not at 19...I just can't see guys like Shaun O hara..Marco Rivera, Andre Gurode, Jeff Saturday etc...getting physically dominated by a 19 year old...not with all of their experience.
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The Hogster wrote:The more I see of him, I'd be happy with him. I am not completely sold on Gaines Adams...he seems to be more More Mario Williams and Less Julius Peppers.
I just don't think you draft a guy that high unless he is clearly the best player for your team.

What if he ends up being a 3 sack at best bust ala Courtney Brown....Landry seems like a safer bet ( no pun intended)

I also like Okoye, but he's only 19, and I see it taking him a few years to catch up to the experience and craftiness of veteran NFL guards and centers.

He's a stud and will probably be in the mode of a Tommie Harris, but not at 19...I just can't see guys like Shaun O hara..Marco Rivera, Andre Gurode, Jeff Saturday etc...getting physically dominated by a 19 year old...not with all of their experience.


Nice, that's exactly how I feel. Okoye has a wonderful story and lots of potential, no doubt. I just think it will take him several years to develop at the NFL level.
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The Hogster wrote:The more I see of him, I'd be happy with him. I am not completely sold on Gaines Adams...he seems to be more More Mario Williams and Less Julius Peppers.
I just don't think you draft a guy that high unless he is clearly the best player for your team.

What if he ends up being a 3 sack at best bust ala Courtney Brown....Landry seems like a safer bet ( no pun intended)

I also like Okoye, but he's only 19, and I see it taking him a few years to catch up to the experience and craftiness of veteran NFL guards and centers.

He's a stud and will probably be in the mode of a Tommie Harris, but not at 19...I just can't see guys like Shaun O hara..Marco Rivera, Andre Gurode, Jeff Saturday etc...getting physically dominated by a 19 year old...not with all of their experience.


And Gaines Adams is like Mario Williams how? Gaines Adams will have one of the quickest bursts off the ball in the league while Mario Williams has one of the slowest. Don't let Mario's 40 time fool you, he's not quick.
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The smoke is starting to clear now.

FIrst choice would be to trade down. If that doesnt happen then I say either

Landry or Adams.

A healthy Griffin, Salavea and Golston will help shore up the middle, as well as Fletcher in the middle LB spot.

So the addition of Adams with improved play from Carter should make this D line formidable.

All though my heart wants Landry. My head is telling me adding Adams would help more at this time.

If we could trade down we then could get a SS and a DE. Which is what I am really hoping for.
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HEROHAMO wrote:So the addition of Adams with improved play from Carter should make this D line formidable.

All though my heart wants Landry. My head is telling me adding Adams would help more at this time.


Reviewing the film, they've now shown how Gaines is a good pass rusher but is absolutely worthless against the run. In GW's defense, a DE needs to be both.

Landry will be productive against both the run and the pass.

I think they will ultimately beef up the DT and DE positions in the late rounds or through a player trade or free agency. I also now think they will do something to move up into at least the 3rd round or maybe even the 2nd round.

There are a handful of players around the league who received the franchise tag who could be trade material, although sources said the Redskins have not contacted representatives for franchised linemen Cory Redding (Detroit), Charles Grant (New Orleans) or Justin Smith (Cincinnati) to this point. Other pass-rushing defensive ends could become available as well, with Oakland's Derrick Burgess and Buffalo's Aaron Schobel -- who has strong ties to assistant head coach Gregg Williams -- both underpaid by current standards and likely seeking new contracts this offseason. Trading for prominent veterans has been a mark of the Gibbs-Snyder partnership, and they are rarely shy about making bold moves, attempting to land cornerback Dre Bly and linebacker Lance Briggs in recent months.


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SkinsFreak wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:So the addition of Adams with improved play from Carter should make this D line formidable.

All though my heart wants Landry. My head is telling me adding Adams would help more at this time.


Reviewing the film, they've now shown how Gaines is a good pass rusher but is absolutely worthless against the run. In GW's defense, a DE needs to be both.

Landry will be productive against both the run and the pass.

I think they will ultimately beef up the DT and DE positions in the late rounds or through a player trade or free agency. I also now think they will do something to move up into at least the 3rd round or maybe even the 2nd round.

There are a handful of players around the league who received the franchise tag who could be trade material, although sources said the Redskins have not contacted representatives for franchised linemen Cory Redding (Detroit), Charles Grant (New Orleans) or Justin Smith (Cincinnati) to this point. Other pass-rushing defensive ends could become available as well, with Oakland's Derrick Burgess and Buffalo's Aaron Schobel -- who has strong ties to assistant head coach Gregg Williams -- both underpaid by current standards and likely seeking new contracts this offseason. Trading for prominent veterans has been a mark of the Gibbs-Snyder partnership, and they are rarely shy about making bold moves, attempting to land cornerback Dre Bly and linebacker Lance Briggs in recent months.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02340.html


The point here is that the reason the run D was so bad last year was because of DT injuries, bad linebacker play, and No pass rush. We improved the linebackers, Golston showed some promise, and if we get Gaines or somebody to keep the opposing team from converting every single third down in the game, then we should be better against the run. Defensive ends aren't supposed to stop the run anymore. That's not their job this day in age.
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brad7686 wrote: Defensive ends aren't supposed to stop the run anymore. That's not their job this day in age.


:hmm:

So if half the plays called are runs, what's the end's job then?

Even for the best pass-rushing ends, sacks aren't even half their tackles. The rest of the time, they're hitting someone else with the ball, usually running backs.
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Mursilis wrote:
brad7686 wrote: Defensive ends aren't supposed to stop the run anymore. That's not their job this day in age.


:hmm:

So if half the plays called are runs, what's the end's job then?

Even for the best pass-rushing ends, sacks aren't even half their tackles. The rest of the time, they're hitting someone else with the ball, usually running backs.


So youre suggesting we leave Daniels in there? I suggest we sure up one part of our defense before we worry about another. And a good pass rush will help sure up both really.
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Landry is one of many good safeties in this years draft and IMO it would be a major mistake taking Landry if we are stuck at 6. I would take Okoye without hesitation, he is a man child and his intelligence is prbably greater than the top five picks combined. He is physically immature yet still posesses greater physical attributes than many starting NFL DT's. He is a solid "charachter" guy and will both fill out in size and technique in the NFL. He is young and could be playing at a high level for the next decade.

A huge, young, cerebral DT is exactly what this defense needs. We already have a head hunter in the secondary (ST) who needs guidance. In fact he needs to move to SS and let someone else be the last line of defense on the field.

Are you as impressed with Landry as you were with Sean Taylor when he was coming out? I am certainly not and yet were debating about using the 6th pick which is basically the ame spot as Taylor was drafted 3 years ago to get another DB? Not a good move IMO.
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Mursilis wrote:
brad7686 wrote: Defensive ends aren't supposed to stop the run anymore. That's not their job this day in age.


:hmm:

So if half the plays called are runs, what's the end's job then?

Even for the best pass-rushing ends, sacks aren't even half their tackles. The rest of the time, they're hitting someone else with the ball, usually running backs.


Really. Whose job responsibility is it to stop or prevent a reverse? Do all running plays go up the middle? What about the stretch play, or the off-tackle plays, or the end arounds, or a screen pass, or...

Nobody is suggesting that Daniels is the absolute answer. Some are merely pointing to the fact that there will be other ways to upgrade that position without using the 6th pick. That's all we're saying.
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SkinsFreak wrote:
Mursilis wrote:
brad7686 wrote: Defensive ends aren't supposed to stop the run anymore. That's not their job this day in age.


:hmm:

So if half the plays called are runs, what's the end's job then?

Even for the best pass-rushing ends, sacks aren't even half their tackles. The rest of the time, they're hitting someone else with the ball, usually running backs.


Really. Whose job responsibility is it to stop or prevent a reverse? Do all running plays go up the middle? What about the stretch play, or the off-tackle plays, or the end arounds, or a screen pass, or...

Nobody is suggesting that Daniels is the absolute answer. Some are merely pointing to the fact that there will be other ways to upgrade that position without using the 6th pick. That's all we're saying.


Well its not like Gaines can't do the stretch play, its just he's going to be susceptible if people run straight at him, but most Defensive ends are. Gaines is not weak against the run either its just he's so good at rushing the passer that his quickness and ability to disengage vs. the run are overshadowed. I mean you tell me whether you would rather have Simeon Rice in his prime or Reynaldo Wynn in his. I'll take Simeon Rice every time even if he does get swallowed by the tackle on occasion. Lets also not forget how many tackles in the backfield gaines will get.
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brad7686 wrote:I mean you tell me whether you would rather have Simeon Rice in his prime or Reynaldo Wynn in his. I'll take Simeon Rice every time even if he does get swallowed by the tackle on occasion.


Sure, I'd take Rice too. But that's not what we're talking about here. Once again, if they aren't impressed by the DE's at the top of the draft, they can upgrade that position by way of other means.

On Gaines:

Does not have the ideal bulk you look for and needs to add some weight...Does not play the run nearly as well as he does the pass...Needs to get stronger...Can play with better pad level and leverage...Struggles when blockers are able to lock on...Might be a bit of a DE / OLB 'tweener...Becomes somewhat one-dimensional at times...Will get overly aggressive and run himself out of plays...Intelligence???


http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scouti ... adams.html

Those are the things that concern me, especially the fact that he can be one-dimensional. We've already heard that the Skins were not that impressed by him. At #6, they can do better.
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The Skins targeted Fletch for several reasons. One of which was for his intelligence, knowledge of Williams' system, and how he will be the quarterback of the front seven.

Last night on the Path To The Draft, they broke down the DB's in this years draft and obviously did a short piece on Landry.

They spoke specifically about how Landry possesses the ability to quarterback the entire secondary. They said he is smart, recognizes formations, gets people in position and is just an overall leader in the secondary.

Of all our needs, this is also an important need for us. Fletch has the capability to QB the front seven and Landry will have the capability to QB the entire secondary. Since Ryan Clark left, there seemed to be a lot of confusion in our secondary. Landry would be a perfect fit in that regard.
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SkinsFreak wrote:
brad7686 wrote:I mean you tell me whether you would rather have Simeon Rice in his prime or Reynaldo Wynn in his. I'll take Simeon Rice every time even if he does get swallowed by the tackle on occasion.


Sure, I'd take Rice too. But that's not what we're talking about here. Once again, if they aren't impressed by the DE's at the top of the draft, they can upgrade that position by way of other means.

On Gaines:

Does not have the ideal bulk you look for and needs to add some weight...Does not play the run nearly as well as he does the pass...Needs to get stronger...Can play with better pad level and leverage...Struggles when blockers are able to lock on...Might be a bit of a DE / OLB 'tweener...Becomes somewhat one-dimensional at times...Will get overly aggressive and run himself out of plays...Intelligence???


http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scouti ... adams.html

Those are the things that concern me, especially the fact that he can be one-dimensional. We've already heard that the Skins were not that impressed by him. At #6, they can do better.


NFL draft countdown? Hardly as reliable as McShay and Scouts Inc., or Kiper.

McShay and Kiper both think he'll go to the lions at two so he has to be pretty good. Also, you forgot to post his strengths.

Strengths: Possesses adequate-to-good height and only decent bulk -- but room on his frame to get bigger. Very agile for the position. Displays explosive first-step quickness and good top-end speed as an edge rusher. Displays very good instincts and awareness as a pass rusher. Has long arms, times his jumps well and does a great job of batting down passes at the line of scrimmage. He also has shown good fluidity when occasionally asked to drop in coverage on zone blitzes. He has improved his discipline and technique versus the run. Does a fine job of sealing off the backside. He gets upfield quickly and can be disruptive in the backfield versus the run. Also shows very good change-of-direction skills in space, which allows him to redirect and pursue as a run defender.
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brad7686 wrote:McShay and Kiper both think he'll go to the lions at two so he has to be pretty good.


Then why are we talking about him?

I never said he wasn't any good, just that I would have concerns about drafting him at #6. He is also listed as one of the three potential busts this year.

It is my personal opinion that it would be a mistake for the Lions to draft Adams at #2. Millen is scared of the criticism he would endure if he drafted Calvin, even though Calvin is considered to be the best overall player in this years draft by everyone. That's a mistake in my opinion. Adams might end up being a bust while Calvin might end up heading to Canton, only to make Millen look like a fool once again. But that's just my opinion and I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with it.

I get the fact that you like him. That's cool and I respect that. For me personally, I would go another route to obtain a DE this year rather than at #6 in the draft. It would appear that the Skins are leaning that way as well, even though we won't know for sure until Saturday.

I have no problem with trading down and grabbing a DE or a DT. But if I was going to take a d-linemen at #6, I'd probably go with Okoye, even though I think the DE position a greater need for the Skins. I just think there is more risk involved with Adams.
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