Bush and Olmert Discuss Politics

[dnpmakkah]

Israel, which is widely believed to be the only country in the Middle East to have atomic weapons, fears that a nuclear Iran would threaten its existence.

Laugh out load. So Israel which is the ONLY middle eastern nation to have atomic weapons fears for its security if Iran obtains one.

"If someone wants to reach a compromise with Iran, he must understand that Iran won't be ready to do so unless it is afraid," Olmert had told reporters earlier. "Israel has various options which I am not prepared to discuss."

What a bunch of hypocrites. Threatening people is not a very logical way to establish peace...unless of course peace is not what you are looking for. Israel is afraid of its security so it constantly makes statements threatening the security of others.

LINK HERE

[ii7-V7]

Yeah, because Iran has never threatened Isreal.

[dnpmakkah]

Yeah, because Iran has never threatened Isreal.

Tell me Mr. Chaddukes. Does it not sound ironic to you that a nation such as Israel who is afraid of a nuclear Iran due to the threat it poses has nuclear weapons themseleves and in turn makes grave threats to Iran? You have to admit that it is very funny and ironic no? To tell you the truth I to wish that Iran doesn't produce nuclear weapons. But in reality every nation should get rid of their weaponary to make it fair and safe for everyone don't you agree?.

Think about it for one second. If nations truely want to get rid of the nuclear weapons around the world then should they not begin with themselves. You can not make a global change without reflecting upon yourself no? However when you have hypocrite nations like the U.S. and Israel who continue to stockpile their WMD's it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that these nations should be the leading voice of non-proliferation.

I know many people on here who are a bit extreme when it comes to patriotism almost fanatical to an extent. So the concept of fair and balanced might not be something that can be comprended by them. Something tells me you too (like me) want Iran to be nuclear weapon free but where we differ and where I would like an explaination from you is why you might think it is ok for the U.S. and Israel to have them?

[dnpmakkah]

President Bush, responding to concerns Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert brought to the White House, called on Monday for worldwide isolation of Iran until it "gives up its nuclear ambitions."
--------------------------------------------------------------
The U.S. was the first country to develop and test a nuclear warhead. The Manhattan Project was set up during the Second World War to make sure the U.S. developed an atomic bomb before Nazi Germany did.

"Iran's nuclear ambitions are not in the world's interest," Bush said. "If Iran had nuclear weapons it would be terribly destabilizing."
--------------------------------------------------------------
The U.S. remains the only country to have used an atomic weapon. It dropped two of them — in August 1945 — on Japan in the final days of the war.

"This is not an issue of Israel only," Olmert said of Iran's nuclear efforts. "This is a moral issue of the whole world."
--------------------------------------------------------------
Israel has never confirmed that it has nuclear weapons. It's never denied it, either.

In 1958 - with French help - it began work on a nuclear reactor near the town of Dimona in the Negev desert. Israel said it needed to develop nuclear power for a desalination plant to "green" the area.

The reactor was online by 1964. When the U.S. asked Israel to allow international inspections of the reactor, it agreed, but under two conditions: that inspections be carried out by Americans and that Israel be given notice of inspections.

The U.S. stopped inspecting the plant in 1969, saying the exercise was useless.

LINK #1 HERE
LINK #2 HERE

[ATV]

Part of me actually hopes that Iran gains the nuclear weapon. This would likely put an end to our meddling in the Middle East, just as we're sure not to invade North Korea now.

I'm sure we would find some other piss-poor region on the globe to hemorrhage money into, though. Maybe we could go back to beating up on some South American nations - Maybe overthrow their democratically elected governments again and install more good old-fashioned dictators down there. At least that would keep the Military Industrial Complex happy.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

[ii7-V7]

Part of me actually hopes that Iran gains the nuclear weapon. This would likely put an end to our meddling in the Middle East, just as we're sure not to invade North Korea now.

God, I hope you are kidding.

[ii7-V7]

Yeah, because Iran has never threatened Isreal.

Tell me Mr. Chaddukes. Does it not sound ironic to you that a nation such as Israel who is afraid of a nuclear Iran due to the threat it poses has nuclear weapons themseleves and in turn makes grave threats to Iran? You have to admit that it is very funny and ironic no? To tell you the truth I to wish that Iran doesn't produce nuclear weapons. But in reality every nation should get rid of their weaponary to make it fair and safe for everyone don't you agree?.

Think about it for one second. If nations truely want to get rid of the nuclear weapons around the world then should they not begin with themselves. You can not make a global change without reflecting upon yourself no? However when you have hypocrite nations like the U.S. and Israel who continue to stockpile their WMD's it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that these nations should be the leading voice of non-proliferation.

Its wonderful in theory but completely unrealistic.

The Isreali's know that the Iranians will not stop there goal of gaining nuclear weapons as long as we sit around and twiddle our thumbs. They also know that the Iranians will kill every last one of them if given the chance. Why do they know this? Because the President of Iran said as much. Now show me where the Isreali's threatened to wipe Iran off the map.

The fanatical muslims want to kill every last jew. The Jews want no such thing. How is it that you can hold the Isreali's to a different standard? Every nation surrounding them wants to kill Isreal, and yet you think that they don't have the right to defend themselves? What do you have against the jews? Seriously, your anti-isreali bias is obvious....and a bit scary.

[dnpmakkah]

The fanatical muslims want to kill every last jew. The Jews want no such thing. How is it that you can hold the Isreali's to a different standard? Every nation surrounding them wants to kill Isreal, and yet you think that they don't have the right to defend themselves? What do you have against the jews? Seriously, your anti-isreali bias is obvious....and a bit scary.

Hmmm. Another poster who avoids the question only to in return state 'oh noes the Muslims want to kill the Jews". Back to the issue at hand. Don't you think Israel should get rid of their weapons. Listen to me very carefully because you are avoiding the subject at hand. I agree...Iran should NOT have atomic weapons.

But don't YOU think Israel should also get RID of their atomic weapons?

Your love of anything Jewish and bias towards muslims is apparent so please see past the word 'Iran' for one minute. My question isn't whether or not Iran should have atomic weapons....but more so BOTH should get rid of them right? RIGHT?

Do you know the meaning of bias? If I am claiming that both nations should get rid of their weapons...then that does NOT equal bias. However, you dismissing Iran's right to have one but avoiding anything that has to do with Israel is a pure defination of bias no?

[dnpmakkah]

Part of me actually hopes that Iran gains the nuclear weapon. This would likely put an end to our meddling in the Middle East, just as we're sure not to invade North Korea now.

God, I hope you are kidding.

Why? It's true. Get off your American high horse for one second and realize that fractions of the American mentality is to bully other nations into submission by using their superior military capabilities usually by threatening war/overthrowing their governments. Don't even try to say that is not the case.

Other nations know that so they too must have a defense against these sorts of tactics by the aggressors. If nations didn't feel threatened they would not even care to increase their military capabilities. Just look at Israel...because of WWII they produced nuclear weapons because they were afraid that another nation might try to clean them out.

Of course I wouldn't expect you to understand. In your mind you probably feel it is ok for Israel to feel scared and they have a right to arm themselves with nukes but Iran has no reason to be scared because America or Israel would never attack right? No of course not they would never do such a thing.

[ii7-V7]

How can you possibly think that Isreal and America giving up nuclear weapons would do one thing to help the nuclear situation? If the US and Isreal incinerated there weapons then the rest of the world would stop persuing them? Is that your thought? I hope not because its naive. There is no "right to have nuclear arms." A nation has a right to defend itself and we have a right to defend ourselves. And if we don't want a country to gain nuclear arms then we will do what we believe is necessary to prevent it. If you dislike that....fine. Its not a fair world. Its a world where those with power fight to protect it. I'm sure not in favor of letting every country in the worl dhave a nuclear weapon.....how could that possibly be a good thing?

Why am I so pro-american? Hmm....Good Question. Better question why are you so anti-american? Why do find it impossible to beleive that America occasionally does something right? Why is every action we take seen as an attempt at world domination? If I told you some of the wonderful things that America and American's were doing over the world, you would put on the sour grapes routine, and mutter about how its all the jews fault.

Seriously, If I posted any positive news regarding something positive the Americans have done, it would cause your heart to sink a little. You just can't bear the idea that we aren't all evil and corrupt. Why? Thats sick?Where is this bias...this hatred coming from? Why do you hate America, and why do you hate Isreal?

[dnpmakkah]

How can you possibly think that Isreal and America giving up nuclear weapons would do one thing to help the nuclear situation?

Because in most wars and encounters these two nations are always the aggressors. The rest of the world looks at them in pretty much identical light. So in the mindset of other nations a nuclear armed America and a nuclear armed Israel IS a threat to their security. LMFAO

If the US and Isreal incinerated there weapons then the rest of the world would stop persuing them?

That is an unknown since these two nations will NEVER give up their arms therefore we can't give an absolute answer. I can FACTUALLY state that if Iran and North Korea gives up their WMD program you can count on both America and Israel to only increase theirs. This is how these two nations work and the rest of the world is catching on. In the end it will come back to bite them in the butt.

A nation has a right to defend itself and we have a right to defend ourselves.

Ok so you agree that Iran has a RIGHT to nuclear weapons and to defend themselves correct? However, because America for some reason feels threatened by every freakin nation out there always seems to find an excuse to go to war with them. Interesting.

And if we don't want a country to gain nuclear arms then we will do what we believe is necessary to prevent it. If you dislike that....fine. Its not a fair world.

I can respect this answer because its straight up real and the American way of thinking. I wish instead of all the BS the adminstration is spreading about "threats", "security" bla bla bla they would just straight out say "Look we are bigger, stronger and more aggresive. We don't want to lose our domination and in order to do so we must invade, conquer and divide you son's of B's". If they said that I couldn't argue it but it's the lies that irk me big time.

I'm sure not in favor of letting every country in the world have a nuclear weapon.....how could that possibly be a good thing?

Even having ONE nation with nuclear weapons is not a good thing. But again you are bias so whatever.

Why am I so pro-american?

Because you choose not see what is in front of you.

Better question why are you so anti-american?

Not with everything only things that are WRONG and politically almost everything they do is wrong. I'm not alone in this. The world has spoken when they rejoice over the change in adminstration as well as a poll that voted Bush as the leading threat to global security

Why do find it impossible to beleive that America occasionally does something right?

When they do good more power to them. Politically since 9/11 not much good or planning has come from it.

Why is every action we take seen as an attempt at world domination?

For the most part the 'good' is ususally done for their own benefit in some shape or form. You really would have to be naive to not comprehend that.

If I told you some of the wonderful things that America and American's were doing over the world, you would put on the sour grapes routine

Not at all. I praise when good work is being done and am in utter disgust when something is wrong. I can see both sides of the fence. In an ironic twist of fate it seems like you can never admit American fault in anything.

and mutter about how its all the jews fault.

You watch too many movies and probably get your ideas from Fox 5 News. They use people like you as pawns into forming the American mindset into what it is today through propaganda and you fall for it. I can't blame you really some people just can't make their own minds up and have to be told what to think. I don't dislike people or blame people just because they are American or just because they are Jewish. I have American and Jewish friends. I went to a University with numerious Israeli/American professors and students and guess what? There were no problems. Who'd da thunk it? According to Fox 5 Muslims and Jews always fight. Get over it. I only dislike policy not people and if American and Israel policy is corrupt (which it is) then I'll stand up against it. Sorry to disappoint you. Please continue to think the way you do as it will help you sleep better at night.

Seriously, If I posted any positive news regarding something positive the Americans have done, it would cause your heart to sink a little.

Not at all. I would love to hear some positive news about American policy. I love hearing some of the good they are doing like building schools (which they bombed down) in Afghanistan for little kids to learn. I don't focus on positive not because I don't hear/read about it but because positive stuff is what us human beings should be doing. I need/must harp on the negative because changing the negative makes the world a better place. Hopefully that makes sense.

You just can't bear the idea that we aren't all evil and corrupt. Why?

I know America and Israel aren't all corrupt. I like the citizens of both nations. Both citizens for the most part are peaceful, religious and loving people. If I was dying right now I would choose no other place to be in than an American hospital with an Israeli doctor. How's that for you. I would put my life in the hands of an Israeli doctor....you know? those people whom I hate so much. On the contrast, is it so hard for you to accept the fact that some adminstrative policies are corrupt on both the American and Israel sides? It is possible you know?

Where is this bias...this hatred coming from? Why do you hate America, and why do you hate Isreal?

Dnpmakkah says "Everyone should get rid of their atomic weapons" = Not Bias
Chaddukes says "It's ok for America and Israel to have one but not Iran" = Bias

[ATV]

God, I hope you are kidding.

No, not kidding. I'm not certain that I'd like to see Iran get the bomb. It's risky. But I suspect this would proabably save a lot of lives and a lot of our money.

The fanatical muslims want to kill every last jew. The Jews want no such thing.

You don't think Jews have their own fanatics? Geez. You've must've been programmed to believe that the Israeli's are "the good guys".

We're all human. Muslims, Christian, Jews, Hindus, Atheists - We all want our children to grow up in a peaceful world. Every sect has its fanatics. The fanatics are the ones to watch out for. The sects that have been oppressed for the longest are the ones that tend to have more. This is because their people become frustrated and desperate. Karma, baby. Peace and love.

[JansenFan]

Yeah, it'd be hard to spend money if we were vaporized by a nuclear weapon.

[dnpmakkah]

Yeah, it'd be hard to spend money if we were vaporized by a nuclear weapon.

Rumour - America is in danger if Iran obtains a nuclear weapon.
Fact - America is the only nation to use an atomic weapon to kill innocent civilians.

LMFAO for those who think America is the one who has to worry. America doesn't really have a clean track record when it comes to atomic weapons.

[ATV]

Iran doesn't have missiles anywhere capable of reaching the US. If they attacked Israel they would certainly be nuked thricefold themselves. So I don't think that's a realistic threat.

The fear is that Iran would provide nuclear weapon to terrorists. I'm not sure how realistic this is. Sure, there are plenty of wackos out there that would want to do this to us. I'm not convinced they're in the Iranian government though, even if the Iranians do fund Hezbollah and are instrumental in pushing insurrection in Iraq. What the terrorists want to affect, as do the Iranians and the whole Middle East for that matter, is our obtrusive and pro-Israeli policy. I don't blame them. When we stop f****** with these Muslim nations I'm sure we'll find they can be quite reasonable and compassionate (when their backs aren't up against the wall).