-- The Washington Redskins have to be encouraged by the impressive work reserve quarterback Jason Campbell has done in practice. Campbell faces a strong challenge in knocking Todd Collins, who has far more experience in the offense of new coordinator Al Saunders, out of the No. 2 spot behind Mark Brunell. But it is doable.
I haven't heard much about what he's done in practice so far, but I guess someone has noticed something positive about what he's done in the two practices we've had.
I keep waiting for that comment about Campbell where sombody watches him and says, "wow, this is definitely the 'Skins QB for many years to come, he looks way different than the average QB..." is that too high an expectation for all we gave to get him?
USAFSkinFan wrote:I keep waiting for that comment about Campbell where sombody watches him and says, "wow, this is definitely the 'Skins QB for many years to come, he looks way different than the average QB..." is that too high an expectation for all we gave to get him?
Fortunately... the coaches aren't looking to 'push' his learning curve as much as the fans are. I've seen NOTHING to make me think that this kid doesn't have the talent... but at a generic, vanilla practice... I'm not likely to see anything that makes the guy look like a stud either.
Sean Taylor was one of a kind, may he rest in peace.
USAFSkinFan wrote:I keep waiting for that comment about Campbell where sombody watches him and says, "wow, this is definitely the 'Skins QB for many years to come, he looks way different than the average QB..." is that too high an expectation for all we gave to get him?
Fortunately... the coaches aren't looking to 'push' his learning curve as much as the fans are. I've seen NOTHING to make me think that this kid doesn't have the talent... but at a generic, vanilla practice... I'm not likely to see anything that makes the guy look like a stud either.
I know what you mean Boss, but even some nice unsubstantiated homer superlatives from a vanilla practice would be welcome for us dislocated fans that don't get a chance to peak under the tent and get the first hand scoop like you guys do...
I just left Redskins Park about an hour ago. I was only there for about an hour but I finally got to meet several members of THN, seemed like a nice group of people. ( A lot of Scotts ). I look forward to tailgating with them sometime.
As for Jason Campbell it is very hard to tell how he is doing based on what we see in these practices. 1st - There is no pass rush, for that matter there were no linemen at all. So he did not have to rush or throw over anyone. 2nd - He still has an awkward windup, but when the ball is released it looks real nice. A tight spiral with very good velocity. 3rd - Just before I left he made a real nice midrange pass that had everyone cheering. Based on what I saw there is no way I can drawl any conclusion on his progress, we will have to wait for a preseason game before passing any judgments.
BernieSki wrote:I just left Redskins Park about an hour ago. I was only there for about an hour but I finally got to meet several members of THN, seemed like a nice group of people. ( A lot of Scotts ). I look forward to tailgating with them sometime.
As for Jason Campbell it is very hard to tell how he is doing based on what we see in these practices. 1st - There is no pass rush, for that matter there were no linemen at all. So he did not have to rush or throw over anyone. 2nd - He still has an awkward windup, but when the ball is released it looks real nice. A tight spiral with very good velocity. 3rd - Just before I left he made a real nice midrange pass that had everyone cheering. Based on what I saw there is no way I can drawl any conclusion on his progress, we will have to wait for a preseason game before passing any judgments.
I know Jason says he was "pressing" in the scrimmage, but that awkward wind up you talk about looks like it causes problems with short passes... it also like like the ball could easily be knocked out of his hand by the left defensive end once they study his motion... I think he'll be alright in time, he just needs to get a lot more reps like that in game situations...
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Thanks, Captain Obvious. So you're saying it was wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play?
how is it not wise? he is still going to be the same player next year. does he have an expiration date we aren't aware of? gibbs jumped on him because of his specific traits.
JPM36 wrote:Brunell is our QB. Brunell is our QB. Brunell is our QB.
Thanks, Captain Obvious. So you're saying it was wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play?
What I'm saying is that I am sick and tired of people acting like there is or should be a QB controversy this season. Mark Brunell threw for 3,000 yards, 23 TD, and only 10 INTs last year, and was under center for a trip to the divisional playoffs. So why in HELL would anyone want to put in an unproven 2nd year player who has never taken a snap in an NFL game? It makes absolutely no sense and the people who are in the "start-Campbell" camp are completely clueless, in my opinion.
We drafted Campbell so that Joe Gibbs could groom him and he could eventually be our starting QB. If we didn't have playoff aspirations and if Brunell hadn't played well last year I'd say start Campbell, but we do and he did.
Campbell will get in there eventually but unless Brunell gets hurt, I think anyone who wants someone else in there at QB is out of their mind and doesn't understand football.
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Mursilis wrote: Thanks, Captain Obvious. So you're saying it was wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play?
Stick to commenting on the post and not directing comments at the poster... I'm pretty sure his name isn't Captain Obvious.
I also don't see how a post that has NOTHING but 'Brunell is our QB' in it says that it was 'wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play'. I'd call that putting words in someone's mouth.
Are YOU saying that it's wise to stick in a second year QB in who might not be quite ready to play, as opposed to using a proven QB? And all just because you drafted him in the first round and need to 'rationalize' the draft day decision?
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Jake wrote:I.E. Schroeder, Rypien. Gibbs takes a while to ease his qb's into actual games. Be patient. Gibbs knows what he's doing.
Schroeder played in nine games his rookie season and all sixteen in his second. I agree that Gibbs knows what he is doing, but to say that Gibbs holds his young quarterbacks out of action as a rule is a bit misleading.
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Thanks, Captain Obvious. So you're saying it was wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play?
What I'm saying is that I am sick and tired of people acting like there is or should be a QB controversy this season. Mark Brunell threw for 3,000 yards, 23 TD, and only 10 INTs last year, and was under center for a trip to the divisional playoffs.
By that line of reasoning, we should've been making a big offer for Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson - they've been under center for Super Bowl champions!
Campbell will get in there eventually but unless Brunell gets hurt, I think anyone who wants someone else in there at QB is out of their mind and doesn't understand football.
Or maybe someone sat through the '04 season. Remember that Brunell? I wouldn't bring it up, except for Gibbs' alarming tendency to play an injured Brunell over a healthy anybody else. This team is one big hit away from the '04 Brunell all over again, and it won't matter who the No. 2 is; Brunell will still be in there.
Mursilis wrote: Thanks, Captain Obvious. So you're saying it was wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play?
Stick to commenting on the post and not directing comments at the poster... I'm pretty sure his name isn't Captain Obvious.
I also don't see how a post that has NOTHING but 'Brunell is our QB' in it says that it was 'wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play'. I'd call that putting words in someone's mouth.
Are YOU saying that it's wise to stick in a second year QB in who might not be quite ready to play, as opposed to using a proven QB? And all just because you drafted him in the first round and need to 'rationalize' the draft day decision?
It's all about the opportunity cost - we spent a No. 1 on JC, but he's not playing. I can only think of one other No. 1 from '05 who never saw the field last year, and probably won't this year - Aaron Rogers, and that's because he's behind Farve, who's a legend if you're a Packers fan. Our other No. 1 from '05, C. Rogers, got time last year and will likely be the starter this year. No. 1 picks usually play right away, because they're the best of the best. It just seems like a waste to have a No. 1 pick riding the bench, and there's no guarantee he'll play next year, either. I understand QB's need a little time to learn the pro game, but part of that learning process is playing. JC's not even the No. 2 yet!
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Mursilis wrote: Thanks, Captain Obvious. So you're saying it was wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play?
Stick to commenting on the post and not directing comments at the poster... I'm pretty sure his name isn't Captain Obvious.
I also don't see how a post that has NOTHING but 'Brunell is our QB' in it says that it was 'wise to spend a No. 1 draft pick on a player who's not actually going to play'. I'd call that putting words in someone's mouth.
Are YOU saying that it's wise to stick in a second year QB in who might not be quite ready to play, as opposed to using a proven QB? And all just because you drafted him in the first round and need to 'rationalize' the draft day decision?
It's all about the opportunity cost - we spent a No. 1 on JC, but he's not playing. I can only thing of one other No. 1 from '05 who never saw the field last year, and probably won't this year - Aaron Rogers, and that's because he's behind Farve, who's a legend if you're a Packers fan. Our other No. 1 from '05, C. Rogers, got time last year and will likely be the starter this year. No. 1 picks usually play right away, because they're the best of the best. It just seems like a waste to have a No. 1 pick riding the bench, and there's no guarantee he'll play next year, either. I understand QB's need a little time to learn the pro game, but part of that learning process is playing. JC's not even the No. 2 yet!
Aaron Rodgers played last year in 3 different games, and actually had 16 pass attempts... he's a seasoned veteran now...
I personally don't care who plays as long as it's the best man for the job... and right now, that's UNDOUBTEDLY Mark Brunell.
I personally don't care if Campbell NEVER sees the field if it's because Brunell is doing so well that Gibbs can't justify putting Jason in.
You go right on whining about JC not starting or playing all you want... it's all just dead air to me as long as Brunell is the best man for the job, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Obviously you don't WANT to waste any first round pick, but frankly, I don't see the logic behind sticking a kid in there JUST because you spent a first rounder on him.
... and thankfully neither does Joe Gibbs.
No offense, but I'll take his word on it over yours 365 days a year.
Sean Taylor was one of a kind, may he rest in peace.
BossHog wrote:I personally don't care who plays as long as it's the best man for the job... and right now, that's UNDOUBTEDLY Mark Brunell.
I personally don't care if Campbell NEVER sees the field if it's because Brunell is doing so well that Gibbs can't justify putting Jason in.
Just like he couldn't justify replacing Brunell in '04 because hey, he was riding a hot streak that year!
You go right on whining about JC not starting or playing all you want... it's all just dead air to me as long as Brunell is the best man for the job, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Obviously you don't WANT to waste any first round pick, but frankly, I don't see the logic behind sticking a kid in there JUST because you spent a first rounder on him.
... and thankfully neither does Joe Gibbs.
No offense, but I'll take his word on it over yours 365 days a year.
I've got to think there's some reason Gibbs drafted him, or was it just that JC's clipboard-holding skills were that good?
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