Baseball Poll of the Week!

Gibbs' Hog · Post by **Gibbs' Hog** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:22 am

I found this poll on espn.com, and I thought it would make for some interesting discussion here.

It's kind of a tough choice if you really think about it.

I think that they are both cheating, and both should not be tolerated. However, I don't think "doctoring" up your equipment is worse than using 'roids. IMO, the 'roids are meant to transform the actual person into a hulk, essentially creating a 'super' athlete. But while doctored equipment certainly can give a player an advantage, that player still has to work hard to hone their skills with such equipment.

As I'm writing this, I am beginning to think there is no difference, and both are bad. I don't know. I'll let you guys decide.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:46 am

I voted "yes" because both are essentially "cheating".

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:49 pm

Define "bad".

Gibbs' Hog · Post by **Gibbs' Hog** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:02 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:Define "bad".

Actually, I was careful in using that term. It is somewhat generic, because it is well-known that many past and present pitchers use odd techniques to get a better grip on a ball. Are they all illegal? Not necesarilly, because they are not all stipulated in the rule book. Also, it is often tough to catch someone using one of these techniques. But technically, anything used to enhance one's performance is construed as cheating, and therefore illegal (illegal = 'bad' in a perfect world).

I say they're "bad," because 'roids, corked bats, sandpaper, etc. are all things used to enhance performance and give certain "cheaters" an edge over their opposition. But in reality, we all know that some people never learn; the pressure is too high, there's too much at stake, and on and on.

hatsOFF2gibbs · Post by **hatsOFF2gibbs** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:24 pm

I said no because you're not changing your own ability. You're not harming your own body...

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:29 pm

While both "bad", steroids are much worse.

An umpire can catch a pitcher scuffing a ball, corked bats eventually shatter, even Gaylord Perry could get nailed with vaseline, but performance enhancing drugs cannot be caught "on the field" and right now are steps ahead of testing.

tazlah · Post by **tazlah** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:45 pm

Who cares about baseball???? Hockey RULES! :wink:

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:16 pm

tazlah wrote:Who cares about baseball???? Hockey RULES!

ONLY because 'roid rage is tolerated on the ice. :lol:

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:23 am

I think corking the bat is a BIG no-no cuz it affects the flight of the ball. But, putting pine-tar on your glove doesn't affect the flight of the ball, it merely keeps the hands dry to give you a better feel of the ball and allow you to throw it the way you want it. I liken it to if you go bowling, you put your hand over the little blower to warm the sweat off of your hand. Pine tar doesn't make the ball do funny things. Now, if it was sand paper or vaseline, that's a different story. In any event, both things are against the rules and warrant penalization.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:29 am

cheating is cheating

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:05 am

Is that quote from Hilary Clinton??

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:42 am

NikiH wrote:Is that quote from Hilary Clinton??

All those actions are bad. They are and should be penalised differently but they are all bad.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:15 pm

Cheating is cheating!

In Bill's case its only "cheating" if you get caught!

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