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Like the Postons care anything about their clients. Gimme a break.
I feel bad for Winslow for one reason. Accidents do happen when you try something new. He was trying to learn how to ride a motorcycle, and an accident happened. He ended up getting very hurt, and it's going to jeopardize his football career.
Here's why I don't feel bad for him. First, he should have strapped on his helmet. People get very, very hurt riding motorcycles. It just happens. It's a dangerous thing to do, no matter how fast you're going really. The first thing you should do, especially when you're learning, is to strap on your helmet. You're not going to look very tough when you're dead because your head's splattered all over the pavement. Strap it on.
Second, he's under contract with a National Football League franchise. Most people in this world will never see an opportunity like that, both financially and just for plain old fun. It's really an amazing feat, and despite his attitude, he is a very good athlete. He has an obligation as an employee of the Browns to keep himself in top shape and healthy so that he can do his job. He didn't do that. He took an unnecessary risk, he hurt himself, and now his employer is left with no contribution.
Think about this from a business perspective. If one of my best employees goes out and does something to himself that makes him useless to me, why should I keep him under contract? It just doesn't make sense. Sure he might recover, but why am I paying him in the mean time to do stupid things and hurt himself, which damages my company as well?
If I were the Browns, I'd save my money and cut him. I don't know what teams out there are going to take a risk on a guy like Winslow at this point. He just can't get on the field, and he's shown a very impressive talent for only one thing so far in his NFL career - getting hurt.
I feel bad for Winslow for one reason. Accidents do happen when you try something new. He was trying to learn how to ride a motorcycle, and an accident happened. He ended up getting very hurt, and it's going to jeopardize his football career.
Here's why I don't feel bad for him. First, he should have strapped on his helmet. People get very, very hurt riding motorcycles. It just happens. It's a dangerous thing to do, no matter how fast you're going really. The first thing you should do, especially when you're learning, is to strap on your helmet. You're not going to look very tough when you're dead because your head's splattered all over the pavement. Strap it on.
Second, he's under contract with a National Football League franchise. Most people in this world will never see an opportunity like that, both financially and just for plain old fun. It's really an amazing feat, and despite his attitude, he is a very good athlete. He has an obligation as an employee of the Browns to keep himself in top shape and healthy so that he can do his job. He didn't do that. He took an unnecessary risk, he hurt himself, and now his employer is left with no contribution.
Think about this from a business perspective. If one of my best employees goes out and does something to himself that makes him useless to me, why should I keep him under contract? It just doesn't make sense. Sure he might recover, but why am I paying him in the mean time to do stupid things and hurt himself, which damages my company as well?
If I were the Browns, I'd save my money and cut him. I don't know what teams out there are going to take a risk on a guy like Winslow at this point. He just can't get on the field, and he's shown a very impressive talent for only one thing so far in his NFL career - getting hurt.
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tsaler, I think your priorities are not in order. The point about the NFL contract should be top priority. His agents should have been on his arse from the moment he signed with the Browns reminding him that he shouldn't do stupid things to jeopardize his career.
As far as firing someone under contract to you because he is "useless" to you, I'm sure, violates the Americans with Disabilities Act in some way. Unless your contract with your employeee has a specific clause prohibited certain activities, please refrain from firing anyone who hurts themselves on the weekend.
A pulled groin can limit an employees mobility, but it should not be a reason for termination.
BTW - Don't the Postons lose out on their "cut" from Winslow's deal? I guess they got their just reward for holding teams up for ransom. 3% of 400K is a lot less than 3% of 40 million, give or take a few mil.
Hopefully Lavar fires those clowns ASAP.
As far as firing someone under contract to you because he is "useless" to you, I'm sure, violates the Americans with Disabilities Act in some way. Unless your contract with your employeee has a specific clause prohibited certain activities, please refrain from firing anyone who hurts themselves on the weekend.
A pulled groin can limit an employees mobility, but it should not be a reason for termination.

BTW - Don't the Postons lose out on their "cut" from Winslow's deal? I guess they got their just reward for holding teams up for ransom. 3% of 400K is a lot less than 3% of 40 million, give or take a few mil.

Hopefully Lavar fires those clowns ASAP.
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WINSLOW'S INJURIES WORSE THAN THOUGHT?
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Media reports out of Cleveland indicate that Browns tight end Kellen Winslow's injuries are worse than originally reported.
Winslow has, per NewsChannel 5 in Cleveland, "a broken tibia and femur, along with a fracture to the large bone in his thigh" (which commonly is known as the femur, Dr. News Bunny). Winslow's ACL is damaged and possibly torn, and there are lacerations on his kidney and liver.
There is concern in some circles that his football career is over.
Mary Kay Cabot of The Cleveland Plain Dealer has written a compelling follow-up to Pat McManamon's article from earlier in the week regarding Winslow's motorcycling habits.
Per Cabot, Winslow became intrigued by motorcycle stunts when he heard a bike rumbling while playing paint ball in the back yard of his Westlake home (we didn't know that paint ball was part of his broken-leg rehab regimen). Winslow investigated, and found that a guy was doing wheelies and other stunts on a motorcycle.
Winslow befriended the rider, Jason Campana, and Winslow bought his own bike on April 9.
A week later, one of Winslow's neighbors called the police on the sixth overall pick in the 2004 draft, who was "going up and down the street about 50 miles per hour" and "popping wheelies." Winslow had cleared out before the police arrived.
Another neighbor tried to reason directly with Winslow.
"One day he and someone else went down the street about 15 times doing wheelies," said Dr. Robert Nahigian. "One of them did a wheelie right in front of my house. After about 15 minutes, I waved him down."
Nahigian told him that stunts weren't appropriate in a residential area. "I also told him that I was concerned about his own safety," Nahigian said. "He told me he wasn't going over the speed limit."
Nahigian also wondered why Winslow was riding the bike, given that he still was recovering from a broken leg. "He would walk his dog and he wasn't even walking well before the accident," Nahigian said.
On the day of the accident, Winslow and friends apparently were practicing stunts. One observer believes Winslow was trying to do a reverse wheelie, known in biker-dude lingo as an "endo."
Next thing they knew, he was making like Superman over the handlebars.
In our view, this information should view heavily in the team's deliberations as to whether to seek a full or partial reimbursement of the bonus money paid to Winslow. Regardless of whether he knew that his contract prohibited him from motorcycling, his conduct was so clearly in violation of the document that the team would be setting a dangerous precedent by looking the other way.
Sure, it's hard not to feel some empathy for Winslow given the injuries he suffered, but those feelings will be present whenever a guy gets seriously hurt doing something that, under his contract, he shouldn't have done.
Winslow took a colossally stoopid risk, not just with his own life and health but with the very investment by the Browns that allowed him to buy the machine that might have led to his athletic and financial demise.
We originally thought that the Browns would merely offer not to pay the remaining $2 million or so on his option bonus (due July 15) to resolve the issue, and we continue to believe that the team will do that if it looks like Winslow will be able to play in 2006. But if/when it's confirmed that he's out for two or more seasons, we think the Browns will analyze long and hard the possibility of cutting him loose and trying to get back as much of their bonus money as they can.
And we're still inclined to drop most of the blame on his agents, the Postons, for the fact that Winslow got hurt. Based on Cabot's story, motorcycle stunts had become an obsession for Winslow. If he talked at all with Carl and/or Kevin from April to May, Winslow surely blurted out that he'd bought a motorcycle, and/or that he'd already learned how to do wheelies.
It'll be very interesting to see how the "he said, she said" plays out regarding this topic, especially with so much coin hanging in the balance.
Finally, though we're trying not to poke too much fun at Winslow given his current circumstances, we're compelled to close this one out with an e-mail we received from a reader who defended Winslow's actions:
"Kellen was just trying to prove that when he signs a contract, he is a man of his word. The contract stated that Kellen Winslow cannot ride a motorcycle. So Kellen being a man of his word went out and proved that he cannot ride a motorcycle."
This guy just was't thinking
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"Kellen was just trying to prove that when he signs a contract, he is a man of his word. The contract stated that Kellen Winslow cannot ride a motorcycle. So Kellen being a man of his word went out and proved that he cannot ride a motorcycle."

Not to laugh at the injuries being worse, but that last line really caught me off guard.
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skinsfan1 wrote:Here's a funny cartoon about it..
http://www.extremeskins.com/modules.php ... file=index
That was one of the stupidest cartoons I have ever seen.
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No Winslow penalty set -- for now
Thursday, May 12, 2005
Tony Grossi
Plain Dealer Reporter
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Thursday, May 12, 2005
Tony Grossi
Plain Dealer Reporter
The Browns plan no punitive measures against Kellen Winslow Jr. for violating his contract by motorcycling -- at least not until his playing status for 2005 is known.
In the team's first public comments about Winslow since he suffered multiple injuries in a motorcycle accident on May 1, club officials expressed support, disappointment and hope the tight end will make a complete recovery.
Winslow visited the club facility on Wednesday and did some rehabilitation work on his severely injured right knee one day after being released from the Cleveland Clinic.
Club officials confirmed Winslow will have an exploratory procedure done on the knee within seven to 10 days to ascertain the extent of ligament damage.
Deferring to the Winslow family wishes, the Browns continued to decline to specify all of Winslow's injuries. They said there is no timetable for his return as an active player.
"I don't think there's any indication this is a career-ending injury," President John Collins said.
Fans who want Winslow dismissed from the team will not get their wish.
"Absolutely not," General Manager Phil Savage said. "This is one of the blue-chip players on the club. When I interviewed [for the GM job], I said the problem with the team is you don't have enough good players. This is one of our better players. We need him and we want him."
But that does not mean the Browns will not take advantage of contract language that allows them to recoup close to $6 million in scheduled bonus and salary payments if Winslow cannot play in 2005 as a result of the non-football-related injuries.
"The contract's pretty clear," Collins said. "We're protected. We know what our rights are. Once we know more about the player, we'll deal with the determination together as a team as to what his impact can be going forward and where we go from there."
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