{"id":15461,"date":"2017-11-27T00:57:09","date_gmt":"2017-11-27T04:57:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.thehogs.net\/blogs\/?p=15461"},"modified":"2025-06-01T23:29:26","modified_gmt":"2025-06-02T03:29:26","slug":"the-loser-papers-2017-edition-v","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/the-hogs.net\/blogs\/2017\/11\/27\/the-loser-papers-2017-edition-v\/","title":{"rendered":"The Loser Papers &#8211; 2017 &#8211; Edition V"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ahh the sour stench of bitter defeat wafts in from the New Jersey dumpster fire also known as the Football Giants. Who&#8217;s to blame? Certainly not Sheli Manning. Let&#8217;s see what The New York Post has to say on the matter:<!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h1><a class=\"postid-11421064\" href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/24\/why-the-giants-have-big-problems-trying-to-do-even-the-little-things\/\">Giants have big problems trying to do even the little\u00a0things<\/a><\/h1>\n<div id=\"author-byline\">\n<p class=\"byline\">By <a class=\"mark-cannizzaro\" href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/author\/mark-cannizzaro\/\">Mark Cannizzaro<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"byline-date\">November 24, 2017 <span class=\"separator\">|<\/span> 12:27am <span class=\"separator\">|<\/span><a class=\"updated-post-date\" href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/24\/why-the-giants-have-big-problems-trying-to-do-even-the-little-things\/#\">Updated<\/a><\/p>\n<div id=\"featured-image-wrapper\">\n<picture id=\"11421064\" class=\"featured-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" alt=\"Giants have big problems trying to do even the little\u00a0things\" \/><\/picture>\n<div class=\"wp-caption-text featured\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" alt=\"Giants have big problems trying to do even the little\u00a0things\" \/><picture class=\"featured-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" alt=\"Giants have big problems trying to do even the little\u00a0things\" \/><\/picture><picture id=\"11421064\" class=\"featured-image\"><source srcset=\"https:\/\/thenypost.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/11\/xgiants1.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1328&amp;h=882&amp;crop=1 2x, https:\/\/thenypost.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/11\/xgiants1.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=664&amp;h=441&amp;crop=1 1x\" media=\"(min-width: 640px)\" \/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/thenypost.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/11\/xgiants1.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=600&amp;h=400&amp;crop=1 2x, https:\/\/thenypost.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/11\/xgiants1.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=300&amp;h=200&amp;crop=1 1x\" media=\"(max-width: 639px)\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" alt=\"Giants have big problems trying to do even the little\u00a0things\" \/><\/picture>\n<div class=\"wp-caption-text featured\"><span class=\"credit img__credit\">AP<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"wp-caption-text featured\"><span style=\"line-height: inherit;\">LANDOVER, Md. \u2014 The goal for the Giants was about making a mere baby step on Thanksgiving night.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"entry-content entry-content-read-more\">\n<p>Retain the positive energy. Don\u2019t reduce last Sunday\u2019s feel-good upset win over the Chiefs into a fleeting four-day reprieve from the cauldron of negative energy that had engulfed the franchise.<\/p>\n<p>The only way to do that was to beat the Redskins on Thursday night at FedEx Field. That would mean doing something the Giants hadn\u2019t done all season: Win two games in a row.<\/p>\n<p>That did not happen, with the Giants losing 20-10 to fall to 2-9 and erase all the positive energy they had built four days ago.<\/p>\n<p>What seemed like an endless stream of little mistakes \u2014 and felt like a million paper cuts \u2014 killed the Giants.<\/p>\n<p>Dropped passes on offense.<\/p>\n<p>Debilitating penalties on defense.<\/p>\n<p>Poor coverage and blown assignments in the secondary.<\/p>\n<p>Poor pass blocking for Eli Manning.<\/p>\n<p>An overthrown pass that would have resulted in a sure touchdown.<\/p>\n<div class=\"inline-related alignright\">\n<div id=\"more-on\" class=\"module--see-also box module inline related desktop\">\n<div class=\"module-title inline\">\n<h4><a class=\"story-thumbnail-wrapper\" style=\"line-height: inherit;\" href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/23\/putrid-offense-dooms-giants-again-in-thanksgiving-nightmare\/\"><picture id=\"11421064\" class=\"story-thumbnail\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\" lazyloaded\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" alt=\"Putrid offense dooms Giants again in Thanksgiving nightmare\" \/><\/picture><\/a><\/h4>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"module-wrapper \"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>The moral to the story of the Giants\u2019 latest defeat in this lost season is this: They\u2019re too decimated with injuries and too thin on talent to overcome the parade of paper cuts that amounted to a full-on bleed-out by night\u2019s end.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYeah, our margin for error is small with the way things are right now,\u2019\u2019 coach Ben McAdoo said. \u201cWe know that going in, but we can\u2019t go out there and press.\u2019\u2019<\/p>\n<p>The pressure and negativity had reached excruciating levels just a week ago. The Giants had returned from San Francisco after Week 10 losers to a 49ers team that hadn\u2019t won a game before their visit, and calls for the immediate firing of McAdoo and general manager Jerry Reese had grown to an ear-splitting pitch.<\/p>\n<p>The win over the Chiefs, while not a cure-all for the rampant ailments that have wrecked this season of promise, at least provided some temporary relief.<\/p>\n<p>The relief was short-lived.<\/p>\n<p>Redskins 20, Giants 10 is what happens when your best available pass catcher, rookie tight end Evan Engram, drops three passes.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe looked like a rookie coming in on a short week tonight,\u2019\u2019 McAdoo said.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ve just got to be better,\u2019\u2019 Engram said. \u201cThere\u2019s no excuses for it. Are [the drops] a concern? Yeah. A big concern.\u2019\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Redskins 20, Giants 10 is what happens when your best offensive player, Manning, and your most dependable running back pass catcher, Shane Vereeen, fail to convert on a bunny of a touchdown opportunity. Manning had Vereen wide open on third-and-3 at the 10-yard line, but the ball sailed five feet over his head and the TD-starved Giants had to settle for a field goal.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s a throw and a catch that we have to have,\u2019\u2019 McAdoo said. \u201cIt should have been a touchdown.\u2019\u2019<\/p>\n<p>Manning: \u201cI\u2019ve got to hit Shane on that. I thought I had to throw it a little sooner than I wanted to.\u2019\u2019<span style=\"line-height: inherit;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Redskins 20, Giants 10 happens when one cornerback, Ross Cockrell, is called for two debilitating penalties and a blown coverage that lead to 10 points.<\/p>\n<p>Redskins 20, Giants 10 happens when the offensive line, using its eighth combination in 11 games because of injuries, did not give Manning (sacked four times) enough time.<\/p>\n<p>Rookie Chad Wheeler, starting at right tackle, could not handle Redskins outside linebacker Ryan Kerrigan, who dusted him for two sacks in the first half. Kerrigan would later draw a holding penalty from left tackle Ereck Flowers to nullify a 20-yard Manning completion to King.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe can\u2019t afford to have missed throws on third down, drops and miscommunication,\u2019\u2019 Manning said. \u201cWe only get so many opportunities to make some plays and we have to make them.\u2019\u2019<\/p>\n<p>The Giants are pretty much out of any opportunities that mean much now. The little things added up to another big loss for the Giants and their simple Thanksgiving objective was dashed, their miserable season one week closer to its merciful end.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/24\/why-the-giants-have-big-problems-trying-to-do-even-the-little-things\/\">https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/24\/why-the-giants-have-big-problems-trying-to-do-even-the-little-things\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>And:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h1><a class=\"postid-11420967\" href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/24\/new-york-football-turkeys-are-what-we-thought-they-were\/\">New York Football Turkeys are what we thought they\u00a0were<\/a><\/h1>\n<div id=\"author-byline\">\n<p class=\"byline\">By <a class=\"steve-serby\" href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/author\/steve-serby\/\">Steve Serby<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"byline-date\">November 24, 2017 <span class=\"separator\">|<\/span> 12:01am <span class=\"separator\">|<\/span> <a class=\"updated-post-date\" href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/24\/new-york-football-turkeys-are-what-we-thought-they-were\/#\">Updated<\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"double-rule\"><\/div>\n<div id=\"featured-image-wrapper\">\n<picture id=\"11420967\" class=\"featured-image\"><source srcset=\"https:\/\/thenypost.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/11\/ygiants1.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1328&amp;h=882&amp;crop=1 2x, https:\/\/thenypost.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/11\/ygiants1.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=664&amp;h=441&amp;crop=1 1x\" media=\"(min-width: 640px)\" \/><source srcset=\"https:\/\/thenypost.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/11\/ygiants1.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=600&amp;h=400&amp;crop=1 2x, https:\/\/thenypost.files.wordpress.com\/2017\/11\/ygiants1.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=300&amp;h=200&amp;crop=1 1x\" media=\"(max-width: 639px)\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"\" src=\"data:image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP\/\/\/yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7\" alt=\"New York Football Turkeys are what we thought they\u00a0were\" \/><\/picture>\n<div class=\"wp-caption-text featured\">Eli Manning<span class=\"credit img__credit\">Getty Images<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"in-line-column wp-caption alignleft\">\n<div class=\"box module inline columnist desktop\">\n<div class=\"columnist-info\"><\/div>\n<p>LANDOVER, Md. \u2014 This used to be a blood-grudge rivalry \u2014 Harry Carson standing defiant near the line of scrimmage, sneering at the Hogs and waiting there for John Riggins \u2026 Lawrence Taylor tormenting Joe Jacoby and raging at <a href=\"https:\/\/the-hogs.net\/blogs\/washington-commanders-franchise-facts\/\">Joe Theismann<\/a> and sadly breaking his leg on national television \u2026 Bill Parcells soaking in the sounds of silence as he walked triumphantly out of a hushed RFK Stadium.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"entry-content entry-content-read-more\">\n<blockquote><p>What we got between the Giants and Redskins on Thanksgiving night was an ugly, turkey-trot snoozefest between two banged-up NFC East rivals going nowhere, other than the slaughterhouse.<\/p>\n<p>The 2-9 New York Football Giants:<\/p>\n<p>Turkeys again.<\/p>\n<p>Lame Old Giants.<\/p>\n<p>Two teams, and specifically two offenses, that were fit to be tied. And yes, bound and gagged.<\/p>\n<p>Tryptophan coma, everyone?<\/p>\n<p>Or Giants-Redskins in 2017.<\/p>\n<p>If you slept through this one, more power to you.<\/p>\n<p>If Ben McAdoo is lucky, John Mara and Steve Tisch slept through it.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_11421027\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Wayne Gallman had 37 of the Giants\u2019 84 rushing yards.<span class=\"credit\">AP<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The only thing missing from Redskins 20, Giants 10 was a good old-fashioned Buttfumble to sum up the festivities and maybe awaken everyone in the place.<\/p>\n<p>A comedy of errors on both sides, only no one was laughing in the funereal visiting locker room.<\/p>\n<p>Eli Manning is at the wheel of a broken-down Edsel, and he\u2019s driving it erratically.<\/p>\n<p>He looked afterward like someone stole his dog.<\/p>\n<p>The lost playmakers and offensive linemen have dragged him down.<\/p>\n<p>He was asked if all the losing tires him out emotionally.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYeah, yeah, it definitely does,\u201d Manning said. \u201cIt\u2019s no fun losing, it\u2019s no fun not scoring enough points offensively, so yeah, it can wear you out. It\u2019ll test you. But you just gotta keep going to the drawing board and find ways to play better and move the ball and score some points.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>McAdoo, asked what he thought of his offense overall, said: \u201cWasn\u2019t very good.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"line-height: inherit;\">Kirk Cousins hit Josh Doctson with a 14-yard touchdown pass against Jackrabbit Jenkins with 3:31 left, and it was Redskins 17, Giants 10.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Manning (13-for-27, 113 yards, one interception) would have needed at least another four quarters to tie it.<\/p>\n<p>He was sacked on fourth down and Ereck Flowers \u2014 him again \u2014 was flagged for holding anyway.<\/p>\n<p>This is when they began singing \u201cHail to the Redskins,\u201d but they could just as well have sung \u201cFail to the Giants.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Redskins had finally broken through when Cousins scrambled to his right and found Jamison Crowder with a 15-yard touchdown pass on third-and-goal in the third quarter.<\/p>\n<p>That made it 10-3. It felt like 100-3.<\/p>\n<p>The Giants\u2019 offense: 3 yards and a cloud of dysfunction.<\/p>\n<p>So McAdoo and Manning needed Jenkins\u2019 53-yard pick-six on a high Cousins pass that deflected off Byron Marshall to tie it, of course.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe gave that spark that we needed,\u201d Jason Pierre-Paul said.<\/p>\n<p>There were no more sparks.<\/p>\n<p>The Giants defense played hard, improving its consecutive game streak to two.<\/p>\n<p>The Giants offense (2-for-14 on third down) played hardly. For the umpteenth time in the McAdoo Era.<\/p>\n<p>Mini-McAdoo was in the stands, ending speculation he had entered the witness protection program.<\/p>\n<p>McAdoo needed this game because he needs every game now. He can\u2019t save his job with a 2-14 record.<\/p>\n<p>Every last game now is a referendum on his future, and on general manager Jerry Reese\u2019s as well.<\/p>\n<p>McAdoo needed to keep an unrelenting grip on the throat of his team and show it how a leader laughs in the face of adversity and does not waver in the eye of the storm.<\/p>\n<p>He needed to show ownership, remind ownership, that a young head coach can lose his way and lose his team and just when everyone counted him out and scorned him, he could find his way and find his team again.<\/p>\n<p>He needed a team that responded to him and remembered what New York Giants Pride meant.<\/p>\n<p>He needed his players to band together and fight, the way Giants used to fight, for each other, and for New York.<\/p>\n<p>So they fought.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_11421075\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ben McAdoo\u2019s offense has scored 12 points or less five times this season.<span class=\"credit\">Getty Images<\/span><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The problem is, they can\u2019t punch.<\/p>\n<p>Manning was forced to throw to the likes of Roger Lewis, Tavarres King and Travis Rudolph, forced to operate behind offensive linemen named Halapio and Wheeler.<\/p>\n<p>Rookie Chad Wheeler was schooled twice for first-half sacks by Ryan Kerrigan. Kerrigan then drew a holding penalty against Flowers.<\/p>\n<p>Even Evan Engram, Manning\u2019s only real weapon, dropped three balls he should have caught.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere\u2019s no excuses,\u201d Engram said. \u201cI gotta get better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>McAdoo, desperate to light a fire, or at least a flame, under his frozen team, went for it on fourth-and-1 from the Redskins\u2019 21 midway through the second quarter and got it, but Manning, third-and-3 from the 12, overthrew an open Shane Vereen in the right flat, and it was 3-0, soon to be 3-3 at intermission.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI gotta hit Shane on that,\u201d Manning said. \u201cThought I had to throw a little bit sooner than I wanted to, tried to kinda float it up there for him where he can maybe adjust and get to it but just put a little bit too much on it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Turkeys again.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/24\/new-york-football-turkeys-are-what-we-thought-they-were\/\">https:\/\/nypost.com\/2017\/11\/24\/new-york-football-turkeys-are-what-we-thought-they-were\/<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ahh the sour stench of bitter defeat wafts in from the New Jersey dumpster fire also known as the Football Giants. Who&#8217;s to blame? Certainly not Sheli Manning. Let&#8217;s see what The New York Post has to say on the matter:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":43,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-15461","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-washington-redskins"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>The Loser Papers - 2017 - Edition V | The-Hogs.net<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/the-hogs.net\/blogs\/2017\/11\/27\/the-loser-papers-2017-edition-v\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"The Loser Papers - 2017 - Edition V | The-Hogs.net\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Ahh the sour stench of bitter defeat wafts in from the New Jersey dumpster fire also known as the Football Giants. 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