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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:42 pm

Cousins is only making that money because of what the Redskins did - nobody thinks he's a really good QB - the Vikings made a bad choice
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:38 am

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:52 am

OK ckRGiii - I hear what you're saying - I don't advocate for changing the way we do things because of the past few years - HOWEVER someone in the FO has to pay the price for what has happened here - Bruce Allen has done a good job with the cap AND we have added some good young players BUT we're still seeing the same under 500 win loss record and have a really botched up situation at arguably the most important position for any franchise

we have it ingrained in our psyche that we're almost there .... this goes on and on, season after season ... now "it's just a couple of years, we'll be fine .."

we don't need to 'change for the sake of change' OR need someone to be fired just for the mistakes of the past few years
we need to change the way we do things because what we have been doing has resulted in a mediocre franchise on and off the field



this franchise is a mess right now - 1-3 over the next 4 would be a disaster - we're not optimistic anymore, we're hoping to get lucky
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:12 pm

Be realistic though... SF had a great shot at taking the division; until they lost Jimmy G for the year.

Alex Smith isn't Breezy, but he was the best out there at a reasonable price. Letting Kurt Grossman go was a great move, and Alex Smith the perfect stop gap- for the options we had. Maybe a trade for Bridgewater would've sufficed ? but his injury was coming back from was gruesome.

The front office fielded a contender... Alex isn't a gun slinfger and didnt quite play up to expectations- injuries (CT, Crowder,PRich, Guice, Reed in the off-season, OLINE) aside, he had us at the top of the division.


You can't just start cutting heads off, when the group that was fielded (depth including) was doing what it needed to.

If any heads should roll, it should be focused om the strength and conditioning team and/or the field maintenance team.
Losing all the players we have the last 2 years (most in the NFL) makes it impossible to judge the FO or the HC.

Now, with less injuries on the D, I AM disappointed in Mununsky- we were a rop flight D at the start and now exposed, he has no answer for our slow ilbs. Hasn't adjusted or coached better techniques to address the issues and now the D is floundering.. Granted, an anemic O doesn't help the D at all...

Im just not about firing people for the sake of "blame." Case can be made to blame the refs, or the "curse", just as strong as one to fire anybody.

Furthermore, fire someone- O.K. Now who fills those shoes and brings this "change" we need? Serious question, who can make us better that doesn't wear a uniform on game day?
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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:37 pm

you're right - nobody can make this franchise better in the next few years - we're in a huge hole ...

BUT, what you're suggesting is to not make any changes to the FO and coaching staff (the same coaching staff that got us to 6-3) and keep doing what we've been doing ... like adding really good young players and just hope that things will get better in a few years
THEN, we'll see the same results
AND, we'll still be saying we just need to wait and give these guys more time

the people in charge are not being honest about what is happening here



it's like hoping that we'll get a new owner - IT's NOT HAPPENING
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:16 pm

Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:55 pm

+1 - what a huge waste of time and talent the past 10 seasons have been - we've gone nowhere - this situation is hopeless
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:41 am

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:10 am

I hope Allen is fired and doesn't resign - Snyder probably keeps him on so the media and the fans can blame him for the mess we're in
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby chiefhog44 » Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:59 pm

Miss you 21

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby grampi » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:36 pm

6-10 here we come...

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:09 pm

OK, the Browns coaching staff is in transition but the franchise is headed in a good direction & they were in far worse shape than we are right now

we normally have a glimmer of hope but this franchise has no chance of turning things around by continuing to operate this way

I'm afraid that we're looking at going 6-10 after starting out 5-3 and before Thanksgiving we were looking at a good chance to be in the playoffs

surely something has to happen because of all that has happened here the past 10 years ...

the injuries have been bad but the behavior by the guys in charge has been far worse
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:23 pm

Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby Sonny9TD » Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:42 pm

Cobb signs with Saints. Another front office mess up.

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby riggofan » Sun Dec 16, 2018 5:53 pm

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby Sonny9TD » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:11 pm

Redskins doing everything they can to miss the playoffs and having just a good enough record to not get the best Offensive Lineman in the draft. Todd MbShay was dead on for our draft pick
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby Countertrey » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:14 pm

"That's a clown question, bro"
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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"That's a clown question, bro"
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:04 pm

Where the Redskins draft is not nearly as important as who is making those draft picks ... there are a lot of very talented players available and finding players that can make the roster from the lower rounds is even more important than identifying the top 50 players - anyone can look good with the top 2 rounds, it's who your scouts identify in the later rounds that help make a franchise better
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby riggofan » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:03 pm

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Re: I'm feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:33 pm

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:49 pm

Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby riggofan » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:13 pm

Here's a thought: it takes good draft picks AND good coaching.

The Browns are a good example. That team has been loaded with talent but continued to struggle under Hue Jackson. A capable coach like Gregg Williams looks like he has a good chance to do something with them.

The Rams are another great example. Jeff Fischer sucked with that team despite years of high first round picks. McVay was handed a top notch roster and has done well with it. He didn't build that team.

I wish I could say that the Skins might be in the same position. I honestly think we've drafted fairly well the past few years. But we're so completely screwed at the QB position its hard to see how it matters.
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:08 pm

it takes a village - we have drafted some good players but a number of those picks were no-brainers that someone as stupid as I could have made

this franchise has just not been managed properly and while the injuries the past 2 season have been devastating this franchise is still looking at years to rebuild PRIMARILY because of some poor decisions by this FO and the 2 bozos at the top

this franchise has needed someone better at the helm under Dan Snyder for a long time - Bruce Allen has been a disaster - pointing out the few good things he's done does not help cover up the stupid decisions he has been a part of
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:31 pm

Idk why you arent in Allens Role? Its allll SO obvious... Like the qb role next year?
Billecheck would fix that easy peasy

The Browns are not an example of a well managed team- hence the firing of the HC midseason. If we could land a Baker Mayfield in the draft this next season, I'd like our chances as much as theirs when healthy.


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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:31 pm

So... We HAVE made changes... But you want to see Allen fired because you don't like him? Fair enough.
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:45 pm

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:28 pm

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:35 pm

Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:26 am

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:04 am

You're dreaming or on drugs if you think:
1) this franchise will be better off keeping Bruce Allen in his current position
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2) that Bruce Allen will get a job elsewhere in the NFL at the same position he holds here

Bruce Allen is not the main reason that this franchise is in such a mess but he's a part of the problem here
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:52 am

Dreaming... On drugs....

So- he is or isn't the problem? DS aint selling- so is Allen just the scapegoat? Or, what change are you constantly clamouring about?
New HC? Who?
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:44 pm

:cry: *sh$t* thing is- 10 of those big injuries, we could deal with- maybe. Everyone wants heads to roll, yet this roster was as packed as ever- depth including! You have 53 men... And can only dress, what- 49? We have lost nearly HALF THE DAMN TEAM!!! What FO change over comes such devastation?? Serious replies only.

We HAVE changed the culture, but we also have been brutally hit with injuries.... Maybe the Saints have a 4th string qb that can play behind a depleted O line? LMAO nah fam!
Fire everyone and reboot... If we have 20+ to IR next year it doesnt matter whose roster we have- 'ya done son!'

Again- look at strength and conditioning staff, the turf, change the name, and/or change the off-season regime.

Hard to blame the off-season when we lost Guice in a meaningless game- right away... Yet the ageless AP with ZERO camp/ OTAs, continues to shine.

Please contribute answers or solutions to our problems- save the pointless finger pointing for a couple weeks, ya?
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby El Mexican » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:16 pm

This team doesn't have depth. It has bodies.

The problem has been going on for the entire Gruden era. What gives?

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:02 pm

some here are over reacting and posturing that if we just keep doing what we've been doing for the past 10 years, things will be better here soon - the injuries are the only thing holding this franchise back and next year we'll be fine - what a load of crap

I agree that the injuries have been devastating the past 2 seasons but the fact remains this franchise has been a 7-9 win franchise and we are not getting any better than that by doing the same things we've been doing - I AM NOT advocating firing everyone and don't care if Bruce Allen stays as long as he doesn't have anything to do with anything but manipulating the cap or just hanging out with Dan

FACT IS - IF we don't get a new GM and President who are in charge of everything then it really doesn't matter if we keep Jay Gruden because with this franchise being as badly managed as it has been and will continue to be, there's really no chance of getting a better HC to come here and I will go on ad nauseam all next season as well :lol:

This franchise will NOT get better just because some here want it to
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:43 pm

nobody wants the team to be like it was and granted some people have done some good things but there's no way this franchise is getting better doing the same things they've been doing since Bruce Allen came in - I'm not saying it's his fault but something has to be done about the bad decisions that have caused us to be constantly hoping we can be lucky enough to win 8 games a year and why are the fans not coming to the games

we constantly end each season hoping we'll be better next season and now we're faced with hoping we'll be mediocre in 2 years - THAT SUCKS

why is that? who is responsible for that? WHY should ANYONE think that things will get better if we keep doing the same things?
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:49 pm

speaking of RGIII - that's part of the reason that things are so bad here - making that deal was idiotic to say the least

it's like we don't have anyone that knows how to properly manage an NFL franchise - we need better decision makers
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

Postby SkinsJock » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:37 am

Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:34 pm

I wouldn't be opposed to them giving Johnson next season to see what he can do with a year learning the system and a healthy and hopefully improved offensive roster.
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby SkinsJock » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:44 pm

I'm hoping that Johnson has a magical 2 weeks and I hope he gets a fabulous offer from someone to play QB next year - not sure that I would pay him a lot of money to be a starting QB; then again it's Dan's money and if he doesn't bring in better people to operate and manage this franchise he deserves it
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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby SkinsJock » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:24 pm

OK, in the spirit of the season, let's keep everyone and hope that the people in charge are going to somehow become good at what they do and this franchise will again become a place where good coaches and players want to come and be a part of a competitive franchise :lol:

get a grip people ... we are going to continue to be a mediocre franchise if we don't do things differently here ...

keep everybody - just change the way we do things
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby aswas71788 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:36 pm

Several posts have talked about injuries. This is the second year that the Redskins have been hit with major injury numbers. What gives? Do the Redskins not have a trainer who is responsible for making sure these athletes are properly conditioned? I remember many years ago (about 50) when the Redskin players worked at other jobs during the off season. My mother was an accountant and had a moving company client that used to hire 6, 7 or 8 of the players to work for them moving furniture in the off season. Who is responsible for making sure the players at in fit condition? It seems that the injuries are mostly the same type.

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: I'm no longer feeling optimistic

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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:11 pm

SJ... We get it.

We have seen soooooo many reboots fail over the years is why some of us 2ant to see what 'staying the course' nets.. Something that is alien to skins fans- accepting a mediocre season, and no knee jerk reactions to fire everyone. Its called patience. We HAVE drastically reduced the average age on the roster, and increased the talent level. Who knows why we have suffered so many injuries- that isht sucks hard! BUT, before 20 + to IR we did have the best roster I have seen in years!

So idk... Clean house... Reboot... Rebuild... Smh idk man we have seen that mess just spin around and around. On that note- NO ONE should feel 'safe' about their job security
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby SkinsJock » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:18 pm

ckRGiii - I don't think you (& whomever 'we' is) do get it - staying the course is OK if there's some reason to stick with the game plan - since 1999 this franchise has demonstrated a clear lack of leadership and bad planning combined with some horrendously bad decisions - explaining that Bruce Allen has done this and that right is not helping this franchise get better - we're mired in mediocrity with he and his FO managing things

I get the knee jerk reaction but this is not that - this is a franchise in desperate need of a GM with control to turn the franchise around - the course we are on has very little upside and for the most part depends on us being lucky enough

we need to become a franchise that makes sure we don't need to get lucky to being better than we have PROVEN to be over the past 10 years

I disagree that making changes to the way we manage this franchise is a knee jerk reaction - it's the only way to turn the ship around
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:09 pm

In case anyone missed any of his other four posts on this page that say exactly the same thing ...
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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Is Allen even the "GM"?
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Bruce Allen is President of Football Operations. The team has no named GM: Allen functions as the GM; Doug Williams selects players; somebody else studies the salary cap.

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Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby riggofan » Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:13 am

Makes sense. Eagles were really lucky (again) to have Foles as their backup. It seems like the Skins thought they had a good backup QB situation as well, certainly paid Colt well for that security.
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Tue May 07, 2019 9:16 am

It seems like with the number of people involved in the business of "sports medicine" in the Redskins facilities that not much would get missed in the way of "we're doing something wrong." The team doctors would be the first to notice any recurring patterns of similar injuries. Are we to believe they would say nothing? The trainers would know if a player was not working out or not stretching or working out improperly. Are we to believe they would say nothing? Are we to believe players would rather be injured than healthy? Maybe it's just me but I can't draw a straight line from players being injured to the Redskins specifically. I think the franchise has had a lot of bad luck and maybe that comes from bad ownership, bad management, bad coaching, bad training, and bad workout habits but what are the odds correlation equal causation here? Slim to none I would venture.

As an aside it must be nice to make six figures for "consulting." If the doctors like James Andrews, who perform the surgeries, have no advice on how to prevent these injuries then why would it be reasonable to think an outside consulting firm would have the answers? It isn't as far as I can discern but I'll take that "consulting fee" any time Dan Snyder wants to pay me.
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby riggofan » Tue May 07, 2019 11:54 am

Yeah I'm definitely skeptical that they'll determine anything but who knows.

Was there something last year with guys complaining about training in pads late in the season? Just curious. Even that doesn't really explain the injury thing though. We were pretty much decimated by early October! hah.
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby ferryrich » Tue May 07, 2019 12:20 pm

Internal or external, someone needed to look at everything as a whole. They may have tried internal review like that last year and external would be the next logical step. When you get specialists at different things, some specifics may conflict between specifics in different areas - gym work against scrimmage warmups etc. Fingers crossed this either helped identify any issues or confirmed that every area is doing the right things for it all to work together

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby DEHog » Tue May 07, 2019 2:34 pm

How long has the staff been in place? Is this the same staff that handled RGIII. I still don't know who was responsible but he shouldn't have been on the field when he tore his ACL.
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby El Mexican » Tue May 07, 2019 9:25 pm

Surely FedEx Field has something to do with this situation?

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby cowboykillerzRGiii » Tue May 07, 2019 10:31 pm

Good ol Mike kept a limping RGiii on the field- thats on him IMO.

Excellent call on FedEx field, it has played a BIG role in injuries- they need the cash so destroy the field with too many events... If we fill the seats maybe that can encourage less events and better field care?

While the field doesnt help, its far from "the reason" or the main cause. Dont see it tearing pecs... Wasn't the guice ACL on turf? Maybe Im trippin

Is there data for what injuries were at Home???
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

Postby DEHog » Wed May 08, 2019 7:15 am

Actually the field has been in great shape, they fix the issue the year after RG was hurt...remember a Seahawk player also tore his ACL and blamed the field...I think it was Celmons??
The Skins have had the field resodded every year after and during the season.
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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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Re: Pessimistic about the season, optimistic about Josh John

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