The Redskins name needs to change!

[morr5030 Profile]

How can we live in a modern, racially tolerant society yet vehemently hold on to such a derogatory term! "Redskins" has a negative connotation surrounding it; there's nothing positive about the word. You wouldn't name a team "Cotton Pickers", so why is Redskins any different? Why are the Redskins excused when their use of the word "Redskin" is no different than that of other racial or gay slurs that are widely deemed inappropriate for everyday use? Fans are cheering on a team that belittles an entire people and it is unacceptable!

[Prowl33 Profile ICQ]

Ok so let me tell you....

.... nevermind its not worth my time or energy.

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[morr5030 Profile]

I am 100% here to discuss and it's a completely valid stance! Lemme hear what your thoughts are.

[Prowl33 Profile ICQ]

To give my opinion, and I dont want to "discuss" because that typically involves one trying to change the others opinion. My opinion wont change, youre entitled to yours and I dont want to tell you to change it.

The Redskins team was established in 1932 with a name nlt intended to be a slur or offensive in any way. The team has gone through the year patenting/copywriting the name, logo, etc. The legal dispute has to do with that portion of things, and by law the name needed to be challenged and labeled offensive at that time. It was not so that to me is null and void.

Now lets talk about today. First in general I believe we are in a society where its cool to be offended. You get to make a big deal about it and get youre 15 minutes of fame (not saying you specifically, but people in general overuse being offended and take the meaning and validity away from those who truely are) from slang terms to the pledge of allegiance in school to now having to label our year as 2015 me (modern era) vs

Im white, cracker is a racially derogatory term used against whites, (not comparing racism, just the example of an offensive term) but im not trying to change every box of saltine's

Then finally if you are going to be offended by "Redskins" then you should equally be against the numerous highschool teams by that name, the braves and other native american named teams that can be used in a begative matter, Thanksgiving, and anything that represents the people who contributed to the genocide of native americans (Cowboys are known for the hunting down and killing of native Americans)

Really the BULK of this has started and continued as part of Political publicity, followed by groups of people that want to get in a news paper on TV to have their name mentioned, followed by a few that actually consider it offensive.

For the people it very honestly offends, im sorry it does, I really am, but based on the number of people that is, and how the Redskins represent the name, its nowhere near grounds for even a consideration of a name change.

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please don't feed the trolls ...

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[riggofan Profile]

Please. Just stop.

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[Countertrey Profile]

Jeeze. It's clear that it's another "racist name so y'all suck" thread. He is not here to discuss. He is not here to understand our pov... he is not hear to gain a perspective, or to share his. He is here to provoke, to take shots in passing to assuage some deep feeling of inadequacy and guilt, and to demand that we change. There is no discuss. There is no understand. There is no accept. There is no tolerate. There is only provocation, insults, and foot stomping.

I would add, Bru, that posting with the sole intent of provocation and disruption is a violation of our forum rules. We encourage genuine discussion regarding our disagreements... but clearly, when your first thread and first post is purely combative, there is no such intent here.

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[DarthMonk Profile]

It's pretty obvious.

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[Irn-Bru Profile Website]

Well, we got it cleared up. That's the important thing.

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With yet another Alabama signing how about the Washington Redtide.

JK of course.

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[Irn-Bru Profile Website]

Wow, what a thread res.

[Justice Hog Profile]

In my opinion, I think DEHog said all there needs to be said. Done.

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[hanburgerheel Profile]

I would gladly play for, or pull for, a team called The Cotton Pickers. In fact, the more controversial a team's mascot/name is, the mor elikely I am to be a fan. The Snot Rags, The Gonads, The Cripples, The Screaming Gypsies. Those would be awesome!

People are so detached from what makes language important and significant--- CONTEXT! Context is mandatory to make anything "offensive." Words are totally innocent. Words are noises that we utter with our mouths, and they comprise LANGUAGE, which we use so that other people understand our THOUGHTS!

Team mascot names are caricatures, they're make believe. When you watch the Lions play the Bears, you aren't expecting to see wild Lions from Africa on the field with Bears from North America (or wherever Bears can come from). You're expecting to see men playing American football. The mascot/nickname isn't a literal context of the word itself.

And, keep in mind, members of the Blackfeet tribe in South Dakota submitted the Indian Head profile logo on the helmets! Native Americans voluntarily offered/provided the imagery for the team's logo.

Redskins, in the context of a football team nickname, is not offensive, or inappropriate, or a slur, or derogatory, or anything negative at all. It is used as a symbolic gesture of the fortitude, strength and resolve that is synonymous with the 18th and 19th Century image and legacy of of the Indian Tribes of North America.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

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Annnnnnd that about sums it up boys, thank you for watching!